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Offline NUKE

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« Reply #105 on: July 08, 2004, 01:19:36 AM »
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That's because you're tripping over the "is it life or not" argument.

Of course it's life. The question is, "When does the fetus become a person and have rights of its own?" Some argue conception, but that's a slippery slope if ever. Birth is a much more practical milestone.

I believe the argument for convicting someone of killing a fetus isn't simply about the fetus. It's about violating the mother's right to have the baby.


Sandman, slow down. If a fetus is not a person and killing a fetus only means violating a mother's right to have a baby, then murder cannot be the charge, right? No murder took place, only some "violation" of a mothers right to have a baby.
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« Reply #106 on: July 08, 2004, 01:21:39 AM »
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Sandman, slow down. If a fetus is not a person and killing a fetus only means violating a mother's right to have a baby, then murder cannot be the charge, right? No murder took place, only some "violation" of a mothers right to have a baby.


You'll have to go find a lawyer. Best I can do.
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« Reply #107 on: July 08, 2004, 01:25:58 AM »
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You'll have to go find a lawyer. Best I can do.


in other words, you can't support your argument.
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« Reply #108 on: July 08, 2004, 01:26:29 AM »
In other words, he doesn't need to.
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« Reply #109 on: July 08, 2004, 01:30:53 AM »
so we all need to get lawyers now to debate? :mad:
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« Reply #110 on: July 08, 2004, 01:32:35 AM »
One more time...

The fetus has a "right to life" if the mother says so. Once the mother has made this decision, the fetus can be murdered by an outside agent. Otherwise, it's not murder.
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« Reply #111 on: July 08, 2004, 01:35:59 AM »
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One more time...

The fetus has a "right to life" if the mother says so. Once the mother has made this decision, the fetus can be murdered by an outside agent. Otherwise, it's not murder.

The host holds all the cards.


LOL!

So the mother decides what is a life and not the law? I get it.

What if the mother had not decided weather or not to abort, then some guy kicked her in the gut and killed the fetus? Would that be a murder?

Maybe I need to consult a lawyer to instruct me in the use of common sense.
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« Reply #112 on: July 08, 2004, 08:02:46 AM »
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His latest appointee believes women should be subservient and that rape can't cause pregnancy.


Comments?


Well first part is true. Even says so in the bible :)

second part is outright rediculous
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« Reply #113 on: July 08, 2004, 08:40:49 AM »
sandy... on the parasite theory... at what point is it not a parasite?  I tend to believe that once it is capable of living without the help of the mother it is a human.

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« Reply #114 on: July 08, 2004, 08:48:22 AM »
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One more time...

The fetus has a "right to life" if the mother says so.


I think "the mother says so" when she spreads her legs and gives permission for the chance of fertilization to occur
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« Reply #115 on: July 08, 2004, 08:50:50 AM »
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sandy... on the parasite theory... at what point is it not a parasite?  I tend to believe that once it is capable of living without the help of the mother it is a human.

lazs


I tend to agree.

It's worth noting that abortion rights activists were against laws making it more severe to kill a pregnant woman.

Consider...

A. A woman is injured in a crime.
B. A pregnant woman is injured in a crime and her unborn achild is killed in the process.

or.

A. A woman is killed in a crime.
B. A pregnant woman and her unborn child is killed in a crime.

Which should result in a more severe penalty?
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« Reply #116 on: July 08, 2004, 09:08:15 AM »
I am not sure but I beleive that the penalty is more severe because the people involved (mother or mother father), the family have invested emotionaly in the "parasite" and consider it their child even if it is less than full term.

In some cases it is very difficult for people to get pregnant.

There should be some standard tho.   Like I said... I am not against killing people but let's not pretend that a child that can live outside the womb is a "parasite".    It is the same as putting a newborn in a dumpster in my opinion.   or... very near... too near for my comfort level... that stretches even my very pliable hypocracy.

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« Reply #117 on: July 08, 2004, 09:08:36 AM »
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I tend to agree.

It's worth noting that abortion rights activists were against laws making it more severe to kill a pregnant woman.


no crap dick tracy .. they do not want anyone to think the baby is a living feeling human being, you know, just a glob of gloo right??
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« Reply #118 on: July 08, 2004, 09:16:53 AM »
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One more time...

The fetus has a "right to life" if the mother says so. Once the mother has made this decision, the fetus can be murdered by an outside agent. Otherwise, it's not murder.


There isn't one of us alive today that would continue to remain alive if someone capable of deadly violence committed the willful act to end our life (as is the case in abortion). Abortion isn't simply a "choice", it is a violent (in the extreme) action.
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« Reply #119 on: July 08, 2004, 02:27:38 PM »
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when I hear storys of 14 year old kids having gang bangs and ...I just sit here and think were have we gone?


...Just another night in the MA....


In response to the abstinence theory...

How many of you actually abstained from having sex until you were married? If it didn't work then what makes you think it will now?

How many of you smoke? You know it will probably kill you, and yet...well...it feels good...it calms you down...yada yada yada...
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