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Offline Sandman

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« Reply #60 on: July 13, 2004, 08:29:08 PM »
That's odd. You didn't seem THAT old when we met in Chino.

You age well, MT. ;)
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« Reply #61 on: July 13, 2004, 08:47:20 PM »
The perspective from a CHP officer's point of view:

If he stops someone and decides to give them a break (writing them for "70+" instead of 80, and then they try to beat it in court, here's what happens.

First, the officer gets overtime for the hours he's in court, so please please please take it to court.  Please.

Second, when it's his turn to testify, he gives info on his training, his equipment, the situation, and what he saw.  Typically, he will indicate that to give the speeder every benefit of the doubt, he wrote the ticket somewhat lower than his professional judgement indicated that the speeder was going at.

The judge usually asks the speeder if he was exceeding the speed limit.  Regardless of the actual speed, if there is any indication that the person was going any amount over the speed limit, the ticket is upheld.  If the accused refuses to answer, the traffic officer's professional judgement is taken as the only real testimony given.

The CHP officer I know is retired now, and he doesn't recall losing any trips to court over speeding tickets.

That said, it usually doesn't hurt to go to court because if the officer fails to show up for whatever reason (illness, duty, etc), the ticket is often thrown out entirely.  If the officer shows, you tell the judge that you're there to discuss ways to get the ticket off your record in the shortest time and that is usually a fine, traffic school, and you're record is clear somewhat sooner than otherwise.

But trying to actually beat a generous ticket...  You might end up irritating the judge and at least in California it's unlikely you'd get the ticket thrown out if the officer has any amount of competence in giving his testimony.

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« Reply #62 on: July 13, 2004, 08:59:13 PM »
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That's odd. You didn't seem THAT old when we met in Chino.

You age well, MT. ;)


My kids had a good laugh outta that one too.

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« Reply #63 on: July 13, 2004, 10:29:58 PM »
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Lidar/radar jammers are illegal almost everywhere.    Even basic detectors are illegal in some states.  When you're using a jammer it is also painfully obvious to the cop that you're using one so I'd hope you live in one of the few areas where they're still legal.

Radar/lidar detectors are almost worthless anyway and tend to give a false sense of security.  A lot of people who use them actually get MORE tickets in the long run, and your chances of compassion from an officer usually go right out the window the instant he notices you have a detector.  Judges tend to not like them very much either.

J_A_B


Totally incorrect. LIDAR is basically infra-red, its subject to interference from reflected sunlight and halogen lights. The only case of its legality being questioned was in the UK where they charged a guy with perverting the course of justice or something like that. How can it be illegal to transmit light? All LIDAR jammers are is a couple of IR broadcasting lights (usually powerful LEDs).

LIDAR JAMMING WORKS. I have a Bel LaserPro, in New Zealand the cops primarily use Ka Band Radar or LIDAR. LIDAR is extremely popular with them. My jammers saved my bellybutton several times. Usually the cop moves after I drive passed as the jammer produces an error message on their gun which indicates an ambient light interference problem.

Radar jamming IS illegal and not because of the police radar issues but because it requires a license to operate radio equipment that strong.

Gixer, the Bels work great. The Ka band pickup is equal to the Escorts and better than the Valentine. What I do is turn off X band and K band detection which removes virtually all falses. If I even get a hint of a Ka hit I slow down for the next 5km, general when a cop is using Ka in instant-on mode the signal strength is massive, and you can detect them pinging people about 5km away (non-line of sight).

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« Reply #64 on: July 13, 2004, 10:34:50 PM »
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Have you personally seen that machine in action RTStuka and seen its effect on the radar unit?

I've never seen anything like that.  Yeah I've seen it hyped and advertised, but in practice I've never seen it actually happen as you describe.   All the radar jammers I've seen work the same way and have the same, extremely distinct effect and it is NOT what you describe.   The ones I've seen in action all make the police unit display 000 (like I said, painfully obvious) although I don't claim to be familiar with every product on the market.


The great failing with radar/lidar jammers/detectors is the underlying assumption that police HAVE to tag you with radar or lidar in order to write a citation---which of course they don't.


J_A_B



 Yeah I have seen it in use and it does work, I dated a girl whos father was a cop and I got to see one in action then about a year later a friend of mine showed me an ad for one in a magazine.

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« Reply #65 on: July 13, 2004, 10:36:14 PM »
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Radar jamming IS illegal and not because of the police radar issues but because it requires a license to operate radio equipment that strong.


Hmmm... you can jam a radar with considerably less power than the "radio equipment". The goal is a high signal to noise ratio. The reflected energy from the target is a fraction of what was transmitted originally.
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« Reply #66 on: July 13, 2004, 11:59:10 PM »
Radar Jammers, regulated by the FCC, are illegal.

Laser Jammers, regulated by the FDA, are legal, but expensive and probably not too good.

The evil thing that needs to be a felony is civilian MIRTs.

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« Reply #67 on: July 14, 2004, 12:02:36 AM »
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Not to hijack this thread,but this is the best thing I've read all day.


Sox, I'm not sure if this was meant to be sarcastic or not.

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« Reply #68 on: July 14, 2004, 12:07:34 AM »
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Laser Jammers, regulated by the FDA, are legal, but expensive and probably not too good.


...and also probably unnecessary. Lasers aren't more accurate than doppler radar. Unlike radar, the operator must be able to aim these. Moving from surface to surface on the vehicle can affect the computation of speed.
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« Reply #69 on: July 14, 2004, 12:26:51 AM »
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The great failing with radar/lidar jammers/detectors is the underlying assumption that police HAVE to tag you with radar or lidar in order to write a citation---which of course they don't.


J_A_B


I always thought if you ask to see the radar gun, they must show you what you were doing... otherwise the ticket is dismissed in court.        

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« Reply #70 on: July 14, 2004, 12:33:43 AM »
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For those that dont know they take something like a  small corkscrew And Drive it into the small of your back. TWICE Then pull a chunk of your bone marrow out


They went into the hip on me, and it was the most painful thing I have exerienced.

I had been told that it was possible to die from shock during the procedure. Since I had driven myself to the office, they would not give me demerol for any pain. Nothing can be done for the pain once in bone marrow though, as it has nerves and no pain killer can prevent that pain.

They gave me a local for the incision cuts in the skin in order to insert that HUGE needle down to the bone. Once it was at bone, the docter forced it into the bone with his weight........ and 2 nurses monitoring me and holding me down.

One the "needle" peirced the hip bone, the doc inserted a "scraping" tool down into the hollow "needle" and grabbed some marrow.....jezuss that hurt...I could feel each scrape through my entire body...like a toothache only 20 times worse.

I then returned to work. My boss said I was white as a ghost and let me go home. I drove home, got 2 tickets and crawled into bed expecting to die.
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« Reply #71 on: July 14, 2004, 12:34:56 AM »
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I always thought if you ask to see the radar gun, they must show you what you were doing... otherwise the ticket is dismissed in court.        

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Don't bet on it.
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« Reply #72 on: July 14, 2004, 12:36:09 AM »
Perhaps only in Wisconsin...
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« Reply #73 on: July 14, 2004, 12:40:22 AM »
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Perhaps only in Wisconsin...


Probably varies state by state. I've spent some time with my brother in his cruiser (California) and used the radar myself. I never once saw him show the readout to the person he was ticketing. He didn't believe it was a requirement. He might show it simply to help "sell" the ticket but that's about it.
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« Reply #74 on: July 14, 2004, 12:53:27 AM »
First, when you get the ticket, you should have asked " May I please see the radar" and make sure it said 88 or whatever number he had on there, then you should have asked when the last time it was calibrated and if he had a copy of that calibration on him?

Why? Legal Aid will assist in dismissing this ticket because you have the right to ask such questions. If you request a court date before the 10-21 working day period to take care of the ticket, then ur chances of him not showing for a 6mph over is very rare.

If you fail to appear within the required time on the ticket, then you can be charged with a failure to appear, get the speeding dropped and plead guilty to the "failure to appear" wich most DA's do...but be known that the failure to appear will be more than the speeding ticket and they get there money ANYWAY!

If you take care of this promptly, odds are u getting it dropped. Doesnt matter what you think now, u signed the ticket! 51 or 88, u already signed it.

So now, if your within the dates to take care of it, plead not guilty, request a court date, and take a chance. Odds are he wont show. You can retain a lawyer pretty cheap for such a case. JUST REMEMBER this!

a $200 ticket "or what have u" is cheaper than ur insurance going up for the next 7 years! SO TAKE CARE OF IT NOW!!!

Good luck!

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