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Offline Mini D

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« Reply #180 on: July 13, 2004, 08:05:46 PM »
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Misconceptions:

1. I wasn't a member of the 13th in AH1 or AH2.

Icer is WRONG. I was C.O. of the 13th for quite some time.
Icer is wrong still. Even after giving up the C.O. position I flew with the 13th for quite a while before Rude blew a gasket one night. Still a few 13th are good guys. Just not the latest additions.

2. Zazen knows me at all.

Zazen doesn't even appear on my scope. He must be one of the degenerate AW crowd that I care nothing about. A lamer I never knew, nor ever will. Trash.

3. I stole money from a crowd of guys in a beta program of some sort?

Shear fantasy. You guys fantasize while accusing me of something you lamers are engaging in is rather hypocritical don't you think? HA! You losers must have absolutely no life. I have asked you all to post proof of this over the years and no one ever has. I hope none of you have children or pets, because I know you'd beat on them. I care not for your loses you turds. Call the FBI if you think they care.

4. Conspiracy

Elevating yourself to the level of perpetrator is a new low even for you Cit. Show me your evidence. I seem to have read that you don't have a computer for flying, yet you can stir the pot with photoshop edits. You're pathetically disconnected from the real world. What are you, eighteen years old? You weren't even around in the days of the TAS beta. Pathetic.

5. I'm flying AH today?

Shortly after the 357th dried up (thanks to Citabria's duplicity) I left the game. This had something to do with a divorce and the poverty that I found myself in as a result. Divorce will do that to you. I still think HT should have left the price at $29.95 and the AH community wouldn't be full of the degenerates that it is. Someone is using Voss? Must be a low life indeed. I would suspect Citabria.

6. Citabria is a skilled artist.

The lame truth is he downloaded 3D Studio off of Kazaa. Software piracy is a crime Cit. Welcome to the club of criminals you so merrily degrade.

7. I care about you punks.

You're all girl scouts. Bend over girlies.

8. TAS is gone.

TAS, as it was, will never be. The ideas created by ME were stolen and incorporated in games like Aces High, and WWII Online. If any of you were around then (and many of you claim to have been) then you should know this. Which of you broke the agreement of the non-disclosure contract you signed? Oh, wait, Hobutt released you from it, didn't he? You should know a little more about the law then. He doesn't have the right to summarily modify a contractual agreement after the fact.

You continue to attack my handle and name. Yet, in truth you owe me a thanks for all the great ideas without which you would find yourself playing WarBirds to this day. Yes, I believe HT stole my ideas through losers like you.

Have a nice day.

To those that wrote me on this subject: I don't need anymore reminders that degenerates exist in this genre. I know full well that there is little evidence of intelligent life here. The entire purpose of this genre has escaped the majority of its users. It has degenrated (thus my use of the term degenrates) into a piss and whine genre.

I have better things to do with my time.
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« Reply #181 on: July 13, 2004, 08:10:34 PM »
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Just saving this one "in case".


This is the best thread ever!
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« Reply #182 on: July 13, 2004, 08:11:39 PM »
So HT stole the idea for AH from Voss?  Now this is really getting good.

I'll give 3-1 that Voss argues with Metadork before this thread is locked.

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« Reply #183 on: July 13, 2004, 08:11:40 PM »
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This is the best thread ever!


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« Reply #184 on: July 13, 2004, 08:13:23 PM »
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So HT stole the idea for AH from Voss?  Now this is really getting good.

I'll give 3-1 that Voss argues with Metadork before this thread is locked.


Well hell ... now that you gave him the idea .... sheesh. :lol

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« Reply #185 on: July 13, 2004, 08:15:24 PM »
Luke, I'm your Father.....its me Voss

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« Reply #186 on: July 13, 2004, 08:17:40 PM »
Wannabe Kanblowme.  :lol

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« Reply #187 on: July 13, 2004, 08:20:44 PM »
"....its me Voss"

Stop.   You're being a Vosstitute.

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« Reply #188 on: July 13, 2004, 08:24:06 PM »
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Well, comparatively... yes. But that's not saying a lot.

Capitulation feels good doesn't it?

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« Reply #189 on: July 13, 2004, 08:24:52 PM »
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Originally posted by Voss
Misconceptions:

1. I wasn't a member of the 13th in AH1 or AH2.

Icer is WRONG. I was C.O. of the 13th for quite some time.
Icer is wrong still. Even after giving up the C.O. position I flew with the 13th for quite a while before Rude blew a gasket one night. Still a few 13th are good guys. Just not the latest additions.


If thats the case I stand corrected and will re-phrase. You are no longer part of the 13th TAS or IN ANY WAY should anyone correlate your actions in the past (or NOW!) with the integrity of the people currently in the 13th TAS, which in my opinion are some of the best people in AH.

As for your last little snipe at myself, Slapshot, Mars01, Curval, Recon7, and others... it and you are not worthty of a response.

Adios.
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« Reply #190 on: July 13, 2004, 08:28:32 PM »
saw Slapshot the other day as Bish....you guys goin Bish Icer?

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« Reply #191 on: July 13, 2004, 08:28:51 PM »
Whoa,

Actually in a Voss thread.  Got to be the greatest thread since the stripperweb thread.  The strippers at least had a lil honor.

It is just a game, but it appears that some have overstepped the online code of ethics.  As a none squad person,  I have never heard of the Hornets but would not want to be associated with Voss or the legend of Voss.  Sleep with dogs get fleas.  

My two cents

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« Reply #192 on: July 13, 2004, 08:34:00 PM »
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Luke, I'm your Father.....its me Voss


So you are Voss too?

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« Reply #193 on: July 13, 2004, 08:36:01 PM »
I used to wish people would just drop this whole "Voss/TAS" thing, then Voss started posting on the subject and it became quite clear as to why that should never happen.

This is going to be kinda long... you've been warned.

I was not a TAS beta tester
I was playing WB at the time of the "scam"


I've generated an overall opinion of this situation that seems to vary a bit from what others are trying to portray:

  • In regards to being an "F-16/P-51 pilot":  Voss flies remote control aircraft.  He had a model F-16 and P-51 as well as some others.  He also insisted that flying R/C aircraft gave you extremely accurate incite into the performance characteristics of planes.  This morphed into "I'm an F-16 pilot" and "I own a P-51"
  • I don't recall seeing Voss claim he had 2 PhDs.  I believe it was something that was said about him in an interview with an on-line gaming magazine.  That said, I distinctly remember that Voss never said anything to correct the error.  I have no idea if he actually told the individual that he had 2 PhDs.  Really, only 2 people in the world know the answer to that one.
  • I don't recall anyone losing money through "investments" other than his partner who gave him some computer hardware.  I honestly believe this aspect of things has been exagerated in vitrolic posts.
  • The brain tumor excuse and scorpion bite excuse were actually from Voss.  From what I've seen to date and given the excellent timing of both, I sincerely believe both were lies.
  • Voss was outed by an actual AFA graduate who actually gave voss the bennifit of the doubt at first then recognized the outright lies in regards to military service and decided enough was enough.
  • Voss did present "screenshots" that weren't actually screenshots of a game but simply generated pictures (from what I have no idea).
  • Voss presented a doctored picture of a P-51/pilot where he superimposed his head over the other pilot's in order to prove he had a P-51.
  • Voss claimed to have a game capable of doing things that everyone wanted in a game at the time and has not shown a single line of the code to anyone.  He still maintains that he "invented" aspects of games that in effect translate to being "more realistic" and thus are actually aparent to anyone that knows anything about combat/aircraft/war.
  • Voss did claim that he was friend with someone at the FBI and was going to turn in people for violating their TOS agreement from the beta test period of TAS.
  • Nobody recieved a single beta copy of TAS to steal secrets from.
Voss started "TAS" on the premise that it would be easy to do something that AW and WB were claiming would be extremely difficult (if not impossible at the time) to do.  He lied to get people to support TAS in doing so.  The "TAS will be able to do this... why can't your game?" slams started rolling into both AW and WB threads and called all the programmers to the mat.  Voss loved every minute of it... since he didn't have to do much other than seed the misconceptions with simple harmless lies.

The lies Voss was telling grew out of control, and Voss (being something of an idiot) didn't know when to throw in his hand and began lieing more... only not little white lies... real whoppers.  But that was OK, because he still had some support from those who simply had to believe that AW and WB programmers had their heads up their tulips and a better world did exist.

It finally snapped when Voss simply took it too far and pissed on the wrong people.  That's when Voss disappeared multiple times... citing multiple reasons.

And here we are... watching Voss claim it is everyone else that has it wrong.  He didn't lie, he didn't defraud, he was not the villain people make him out to be.  There is some level of truth to that, as there was to almost every other lie voss told.  That's the truly sad thing about him: he believes that a part truth is not a lie.

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« Reply #194 on: July 13, 2004, 08:37:46 PM »
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So you are Voss too?

eskimo


They cleave together as one now.