Outnumbered by Rooks...again

[Murdr]

Originally posted by Zazen13
The simple reason Rooks have numbers on Sundays is, it's almost all of our big squadron's individual squadnights. This was done deliberately back during the lenghthy period when Bishops and Knights both outnumbered Rooks 24/7 and fell all over each other seeing how fast they could reset Rooks, over and over and over and over. This was also when the CO's of virtually all of our squadrons developed the RJO concept we still use today.

That was in 2002.  I know I was a rook CO then.  The inevitable reply to these types of threads are we were outnumbered for a long time.  That is true, I was rook 01-02.  Since then both Bish and Knits have held the disadvantaged numbers position.  It is 2004 now by the way.

[JB73]

Originally posted by Murdr
That was in 2002.  I know I was a rook CO then.  The inevitable reply to these types of threads are we were outnumbered for a long time.  That is true, I was rook 01-02.  Since then both Bish and Knits have held the disadvantaged numbers position.  It is 2004 now by the way.

nope.. it was 02-03... i just started AH in Feb 2002, went rook june 2002 and been there ever since.

the numbers thing was the summer of 2002, to the spring and beyond of 2003.

here is the post where HTC as a company took notice of the numbers inbalance:
http://www.hitechcreations.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=72499&highlight=perk date dec 2002.


it has been a while, but not the 3 years you claim.

[Zazen13]

Originally posted by SlapShot
Then, on the other hand ...

On large maps, our squad (3-5 on at a time) can fly to a section on a big map that is not overwhelmed by the horde and "piss in the pool" of the enemy and see if we can stir up people into fighting.

It works quite well and we usually end up with decent fights for a considerable length of time.

Whereas, on the smaller maps, with their very small front, this is much harder, because the horde is also concentrated within the small front.

I prefer the larger maps due to the variety that is available. You can fight against the horde ... or travel with the horde ... or go and "piss in the pool". On smaller maps, it only seems as though you can either fight the horde ... or travel with the horde.

YMMV

Sounds like coming to an undefended base with some altitude, semi-vulching a couple guys as they up to defend, so long as you don't blow your E you can semi-vulch them all day long. Unless, of course, more start upping than you and your 4 buddies can effetively semi-vulch (no doubt claiming you were now getting gang-banged), then I assume you would pick up your toys and go 'stir up trouble' elsewhere at another undefended field the HUGE maps offer in abundance?

On small maps it's not one horde gang-banging. It's two hordes meeting in a battle that is spread out over a sector or two. Over this area there are many strata of fighting extending vertically and laterally. The fights you seek on big maps are available either up high or on the outer fringes of small map fights, you just have to be a little more creative in finding them. Unlike huge maps where there are undefended bases to go poach a couple enemy with no alt and no E up to veinly try and defend.

Zazen

[Murdr]

Originally posted by JB73
nope.. it was 02-03... i just started AH in Feb 2002, went rook june 2002 and been there ever since.

the numbers thing was the summer of 2002, to the spring and beyond of 2003.

here is the post where HTC as a company took notice of the numbers inbalance:
http://www.hitechcreations.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=72499&highlight=perk date dec 2002.


it has been a while, but not the 3 years you claim.

Get some reading comprehension putz!  I was there when RJO was first proposed.  Rooks DID NOT have numbers then (which I aready said).  When rooks did get numbers (to the point they were no longer disadvantaged), I left rooks and went to bishops who were short pilots in 10/02.

[Mak333]

If you want to complain about alt, go fly a perked plane, if you wish to stay low, go fly a zero or somethin, a plane thats not worth losing the alt for.

[Zazen13]

Originally posted by Murdr
Get some reading comprehension putz!  I was there when RJO was first proposed.  Rooks DID NOT have numbers then (which I aready said).  When rooks did get numbers (to the point they were no longer disadvantaged), I left rooks and went to bishops who were short pilots in 10/02.

Bishops have never been disadvantaged numerically since I started playing Aces High in August of 2002. Knights are a different story however. GD's statistics prove this.

[RT]

1.Truces between countries seem reasonable and practical and may work in the short term, but truces are a departure from a long standing tradition.  We should cease to make truces.  Lets stay off the slippery slope of trying to get into bed with our competitors.

[ghostdancer]

peregrin you would be right if you were looking at the statistics for just one camp. But I posted the stastics for 54 camps from Feb. 2000 until now.

First off the Bishops have always lossed more than they have killed except for the first 3 months.

This indicates one of two possible things .. either they on average have had more pilots flying or their pilots fly more hops. Now from 2/00 to 2/03 basically their total number of kills were very competitive with the other two countries (not talking about K/D but total kills).

So at least during this time period you could extrapolate that either they had the most pilots/most active pilots or were second. You have to look at the excel sheet trends to see what I am talking about and compare the overall deaths and overall kills for the countries over this period.

Now starting in 2003 things started to change and instead of wide discrepancies betweent he countries they evened out for a bit and then the Knights tooks a dive and the Rooks surged ahead big time (started 9/03).

So assumptions on one camp and numbers meaningless yes .. but comparing the numbers of 54 camps can start to give you statisctial trends.

[Grimm]

I thought I would add this.

Why call for HT, Pyro, Skuzzy to fix this?

When the Rooks where in down in the dumps,  We gathered together and fought back.   Joint Ops was a big part of that.  

For the Record,  The RJO really didnt start for the purpose of balancing numbers,  some of our squads where working together back in AW and carried the idea over here.   Most of these guys just enjoy working together as a team from time to time.

Because of that, RJOs really helped bring interest to others and strengthen the Rooks position.   With that came greater detication and our numbers grew.

So, HTC didnt fix our problems as Rooks,  We did.    

Perhaps, rather than demanding someone fix your problems,  you could actually try to do something yourselves.  

HTC did add an incentive with perks to help,  so you cant say they have been total unsympathic.  

If you must blame someone,  Blame the Damned.   Im pretty sure its all their fault.    

[Murdr]

Numbers depend heavly on what time of day you are talking about.  Bishops did have a period of being down during evenings, if that was not the case I would have went directly to knights.  However since knights did have a very long period of evening numbers.  I waited quite awhile to go there.

[Murdr]

Originally posted by Grimm
I thought I would add this.

Why call for HT, Pyro, Skuzzy to fix this?
 

That is true.  For a practical matter it is up to squads to balance numbers.  Some squads make it a policy to not be on the team with the most numbers.

[NoBaddy]

Originally posted by Grimm
I thought I would add this.

When the Rooks where in down in the dumps,  We gathered together and fought back.   Joint Ops was a big part of that.  

...

If you must blame someone,  Blame the Damned.   Im pretty sure its all their fault.    

Hmm, seems I remember a whooole buncha whining in these boards and in the game about Rooks being out numbered. So much so, that a number of squads actually switched to the Rooks to balance things out.


As for blaming the Damned...yeah, it's probably my fault .

[mars01]

I've played only 1 hour in the past 3 weeks. Don't think I can wait 3 years for TOD...

I knew AHII was awsome for a reason.  LOL JK.

Hey Beetle why don't you switch to Bish or Knights for a while and get away from the protective blanket of numbers .  If you don't like the hordes don't fly with then .

It is true Rooks.  Most of the time, you have the numbers.  I found it very easy as a Rook to not worry about getting ganged and just fly.  

As a Bish all you do is get ganged so you get used to it.  Another thing as a bish, I noticed, is that you could have the numbers in an area and then all of a sudden your alone fighting tons of red.  Still can't figure that on out.

As a knight sometimes you have the numbers and more often, lately (3 months ago, before we left home for a while), you don't.

It's just the way it is.  Get better at fighting in unimaginable odds, quit worrying about getting killed and forget about score because it means nothing.

[Dead Man Flying]

I can't possibly complain about the numbers.  Last night despite the numbers discrepency, Knights and Rooks had a nice give-and-take at A44.  Sometimes I'd vulch, and other times I'd have to help push back a major charge against our base.  It was all there, and it was all good.  The numbers were fairly even and the fights plentiful.

Good stuff.

-- Todd/Leviathn

[Overlag]

Originally posted by beet1e
Agreed. Which is why I'm surprised you don't like the pizza map. Not only does that spread out the numbers (a good thing IMO) but it provides some high alt fields which get the Lalas out of their comfort zone, and lets lesser used planes like the P47 hold centre stage for a while.  

theres too much land % on pizza....i like open seas to have CVS in.... thats one reason i dont like it

the second reason is the layout when the map starts... WHY have 3 countries PER pizza slice? why not have a country per slice?

oh hang on thats a whole other thread