Author Topic: More Gun control??? (Read 5591 times)

lazs2 · « **Reply #315 on:** August 23, 2004, 05:01:00 PM »

No... I don't hink he was saying that only a few people were affected by the ban.... 52 million people were... It matters not if you want a handgun right now... you may in the future. the ban was aimed at you and all the queens subjects weather you feel it was or not.

As for a few thousand pistol owners hiolding back a crime wave.... well... using your own logic... if only a few thousand law abiding gun club members had handguns then...

why ban em in the first place? you certainly didn't see a drop in crime... you seen an increase... if anything... you made things worse for no concievable reason.

If you don't want to have firearms that is fine but... I have read many posts here from your countrymen who don't feel as you do... they certainly feel restricted unfairly.

lazs

beet1e · « **Reply #316 on:** August 23, 2004, 06:15:44 PM »

Don't think so. I never had any plans to buy a gun anyway. If I was going to, I think I'd have done it long before 1996. Give it up, Lazs. The US thesis does not fit the UK model.

Going to sleep now - no gun on the night stand, but I'll sleep well anyway.

wrag · « **Reply #317 on:** August 23, 2004, 11:23:34 PM »

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Originally posted by beet1e
Don't think so. I never had any plans to buy a gun anyway. If I was going to, I think I'd have done it long before 1996. Give it up, Lazs. The US thesis does not fit the UK model.

Going to sleep now - no gun on the night stand, but I'll sleep well anyway.

LOL like I said apples and oranges!

demaw1 · « **Reply #318 on:** August 24, 2004, 01:18:47 AM »

Beetle ...reply....

Im back.he he he.....Working?,Dont know depends on when you posted.

Intelligently...thanks for the compliment,you noticed the use of intelligently instead of intellectually,I love it. Since your last whine about my misspelling and my explaining of same,and since you do not correct anyone else .I knew you would not accept my explaination,I just couldnt resist giving you a little pinch.

As far as google goes ,I just found it a little while a go,great place,am I to assume you never use it? I have in my library 4,123 books . I have read them all,I have even read the comic books [12] 2 times.I started counting them just for you,then my capitalist nature kicked in ,I told my son I would buy his college parking permit if he counted them for me.

I am flattered and yet amazed at your post.

Flattered because your use of misdirection and your sectarian, secondary assessments of my intelligence only ocur when you and like minded people have no reasonable response.

Amazed because I suggest ,it is disingenuous for someone of your higher intellect, to believe a scenario that has been played out many times in history,cannot happen again.

Your lecture on MT was very well written. I am frankly surprised that you were able to encapsulate the Ladys whole reign in so few words.I agree, it is to bad the british peasants threw out the baby with the bath water, over one mistake.

I must say you are really intellectually dishonest in your response about Britian. I never said Britian wasnt at this time a free nation.That misdirection even for you is, well silly, and does nothing to further a some what serious debate.

Again you did not really address my points.

Time for bed, as I have to work tomarrow to pay for those in my country, that think as you do about work.

beet1e · « **Reply #319 on:** August 24, 2004, 03:14:43 AM »

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Originally posted by wrag
LOL like I said apples and oranges!

Yes, indeed. The gun legislation of which Lazs speaks was enacted shortly after the Dunblane Massacre in Scotland, an event which was similar to the Columbine disaster in that a nut with a gun entered a school and shot up pupils and staff.

But even before that, there was no public gun ownership of the kind seen in the US. Most people never gave it a second thought. We never thought about guns for the same reasons that residents of CA probably never think about thermal underwear or umbrellas.

Hiya Demaw! Well, FWIW, I think you're probably quite a nice chap.

I used Google to find those BBC links.

How's it going with those stairs calculations? I would take a gun to work tomorrow. That way, if you got it wrong, you can threaten to shoot the guy when he refuses to pay up.

Holden McGroin · « **Reply #320 on:** August 24, 2004, 05:43:31 AM »

lazs2 · « **Reply #321 on:** August 24, 2004, 08:28:38 AM »

curval... as was pointed out.. I merely quote the stats. The fact that a very small minority causes allmost all the homicides is indeed good reason for the rest of us to be armed if we so choose. We are not some tiny little tourist trap or tax shelter office where banning guns would even be possible... we are a large diverse countrry where banning guns makes the crime rate go up because the predetors become the better armed of the citizenship.

Two thugs with knives are better armed than an old lady... An old lady with a 1911 .45 is better armed than two thugs with knives... it is good to make laws that allow the old lady to have a gun and good to also make laws that add so much time to crimal use of firearms that they are shunned by crooks. law abiding blacks and whites that are armed are a benifiet to the rest of the country. Much like the presence of armed police.

beetle... you did not answer my question... if the thousands of pistol owners in england were not having any effect on crime then why ban firearms?

oh... I slept soundly last night also.. the green glow of tritium night sights was as comforting to me as maybe the green glow of "alarm armed" light is to you or... the sight of the chrome buckle of the uncomfortable shoulder strap of your three point seat belt that you strap on every time you get into the car... even tho the chance you may need either is so miniscule as to make your "fear" laughable.. Hell... at least the .45 is fun and good looking.

I find anyone with sophisticated locks on their doors and electronic alarms and a fetish for seat belts and helmets telling me that I "live in fear" because I enjoy hanguns and firearmes in general... well... I find this to be, at the very least... hypocritical and neurotic.

I am even less impressed with people who feel well armed with a 9 iron.

lazs

Toad · « **Reply #322 on:** August 24, 2004, 09:18:39 AM »

Well, you have to watch out for a guy with a wicked slice.

Curval · « **Reply #323 on:** August 24, 2004, 09:50:03 AM »

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Originally posted by lazs2
curval... as was pointed out.. I merely quote the stats. The fact that a very small minority causes allmost all the homicides is indeed good reason for the rest of us to be armed if we so choose. We are not some tiny little tourist trap or tax shelter office where banning guns would even be possible... we are a large diverse countrry where banning guns makes the crime rate go up because the predetors become the better armed of the citizenship.

Understood, but my comments, which I still believe to be valid, were written as a reaction to your drivel about "subjects" "royals" and "eliteism".

If you continue to bring up that stuff I will continue to bring up your obvious racial bias as a counter.

Quite simple really.

lazs2 · « **Reply #324 on:** August 24, 2004, 02:35:00 PM »

Please show me an example of my "obvious racial bias" ...

It should be quite easy as I have mentioned race many times over the years on here.

My girlfriend and grand daughter will probly be interested in how you arrived at the conclussion that I am a biggot.

So far as I know.... I have allways advocated equal treatment for all races. Much more so than a lot of liberals who feel that most races are inferior to theirs and can only survive with said liberals generous help.

lazs

wrag · « **Reply #325 on:** August 24, 2004, 03:14:09 PM »

Guns........ she says it far better then I

http://www.hitechcreations.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=128283

demaw1 · « **Reply #326 on:** August 24, 2004, 03:35:55 PM »

Beetle...

Damn fine idea beetle , never thought of that , I knew you would come around to the light...lol.

Stair calculations are fine, problem is the 1st floor wall does not line up with 2nd floor wall as plans show. Think Ill use that gun on the darn architect.

I had to run the beams higher to have room for the plumbing and heating.In doing so it required 2 more risers to get to second floor, which made the hall to narrow etc. But I figured it out,I will start installing them tomarrow.

beet1e · « **Reply #327 on:** August 26, 2004, 09:17:39 AM »

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Originally posted by lazs2
beetle... you did not answer my question... if the thousands of pistol owners in england were not having any effect on crime then why ban firearms?

illogical...

lazs2 · « **Reply #328 on:** August 26, 2004, 10:55:08 AM »

put another way..... Why ban firearms if the thousands of pistol owners were not causing any INCREASE in crime? Why bother? I submit that they had a positive affect if any since the crime went up rather than down after the ban but... even if the effect were zero.... why bother to change the law?

In burmuda they did it because of the fear of the government.... several royals and the royal dogs were killed.

lazs

Curval · « **Reply #329 on:** August 26, 2004, 10:58:22 AM »

Obtuse obtuse obtuse

The governor is NOT a royal...neither is his dog.

It is Americans who consistantly use their "fear of government" to justify their ownership of guns not us.