Author Topic: I was wrong about kerry (Read 1766 times)

Gunslinger · « **on:** August 05, 2004, 04:53:18 PM »

He was a war protester going into vietnam...I thaught he became one afterwords.

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Vet: Officers told Kerry to leave Vietnam
Colleagues couldn't take John's behavior, attitudes anymore

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Posted: May 14, 2004
1:00 a.m. Eastern

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© 2004 WorldNetDaily.com
Sen. John Kerry was told to leave Vietnam by three colleagues upset with his behavior and attitudes, according to a fellow swift-boat officer during the war.

Thomas Wright says the misbehavior of the presumptive Democratic presidential candidate got to the point where he no longer wanted him in his boat group. So, at Wright's request, his divisional commander assigned Kerry to another group.

Then Wright and like-minded boat officers took matters into their own hands, according to John B. Dwyer, a Vietnam veteran and military historian writing in the online magazine American Thinker.

"When he got his third Purple Heart, three of us told him to leave," Wright said, according to Dwyer. "We knew how the system worked and we didn't want him in Coastal Division 11.

"Kerry didn't manipulate the system," he continued, "we did."

Wright, who at times was officer-in-charge over Kerry, said he had occasion to observe Kerry's behavior and attitudes, and the circumstances surrounding his early departure from the war zone.

Wright noted Kerry's chosen moniker for radio communications between the boats was "Boston Strangler."

The officer said he and most other swift-boat officers had two commandments: 1. Protect the crews. 2. Win.

But working with "Boston Strangler" became problematical, he said, according to Dwyer.

"I had a lot of trouble getting him to follow orders," Wright recalled. "He had a different view of leadership and operations. Those of us with direct experience working with Kerry found him difficult and oriented toward his personal, rather than unit goals and objectives."

Wright said he "believed that overall responsibility rested squarely on the shoulders of the OIC or OTC [Officer-in-Tactical Command] in a free-fire zone. You had to be right [before opening fire]."

However, he continued, "Kerry seemed to believe there were no rules in a free-fire zone, and you were supposed to kill anyone. I didn't see it that way."

The rules were vital, Wright emphasized, because it was important the enemy "understood that swift boats were a competent, effective force that could dominate his location."

"You couldn't achieve that by indiscriminate use of weapons in free-fire zones," he said.

Wright referred to the three Purple Hearts awarded to Kerry, which allowed him to leave Vietnam for the U.S.

"No one wanted a Purple Heart because it meant we had made a mistake," he said. "We made sure our crews were recognized, but no one took pride in a Purple Heart."

More than a dozen of Kerry's superior officers and colleagues during the war held a press conference May 4 in Washington to tell Americans the senator is unfit to be commander-in-chief of the United States.

Retired Rear Adm. Roy Hoffman, who headed Coastal Division 11, said Kerry was seen by colleagues as a self-serving, "loose cannon" who came only to launch a political career.

Hoffman said Kerry "arrived in country with a strong anti-Vietnam War bias and a self-serving determination to build a foundation for his political future."

"He was aggressive, but vain and prone to impulsive judgment, often with disregard to specific tactical assignments," Hoffman said. "He was a loose cannon."

Hoffman and his colleagues with the group Swift Boat Veterans for Truth are among more than 200 veterans who have signed a letter asking Kerry to authorize the Department of the Navy to release all of his military records, including health documents.

Think the worldnetdaily.com is a biased source. Here from some of the other officers that served with him:

http://lb.wnd.com/anyquestions.wmv

and you may ask youself why I do this....its simply. I hear these guys speak and have no doubt in my mind that they tell the truth. I have served with officers JUST LIKE John Kerry. Self serving and VERY two faced.

GRUNHERZ · « **Reply #1 on:** August 05, 2004, 04:59:30 PM »

NeoCon Lies!!!!!!!!

GreenCloud · « **Reply #2 on:** August 05, 2004, 05:08:16 PM »

Ameriika is the new 3rd ReiCHHHHHH

Heil Bussschhh

No war for Oil!!!

and...Hanoi Kerry was just trying to help his fellow soldiers in the POW camps when he said they were rapists and baby killers...really..he really was trying to help them!!!

B17Skull12 · « **Reply #3 on:** August 05, 2004, 05:11:27 PM »

graet kik asss psot BigGayMAW ((C) Furball 2004).

montag · « **Reply #4 on:** August 05, 2004, 05:52:25 PM »

Hey Im an Iraq war protestor. Guess what I've decided to volunteer for boat service in Iraq. Joking.

Saurdaukar · « **Reply #5 on:** August 05, 2004, 05:55:26 PM »

More interesting is the blurb about the purple heart.

Perhaps Kerry didnt intentially lie to get it. Perhaps it was forced upon him to send him home?

Gunslinger · « **Reply #6 on:** August 05, 2004, 05:57:32 PM »

No. 1 on Amazon.com's best seller list. Comes out Aug 15th.

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John Kerry, War Hero? Guess again.
John O'Neill was the naval officer who took over John Kerry's swift boat in the muddy waters of Vietnam. What he learned convinced him-and convinced the majority of veterans who served directly with Kerry-that John Kerry was and is unfit for command at the lowliest rank in the Navy, let alone as commander in chief of the United States.

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and NO Gunther Scholze this is NOT a photoshop....its a real life book

TweetyBird · « **Reply #7 on:** August 05, 2004, 06:08:36 PM »

An what fact still looms large - oh yea,
Kerry went to Viet Nam, Bush dodged Viet Nam.

Funny how that fact just kinda looms there no matter how hard the dittoheads try to smear his service record.

anonymous · « **Reply #8 on:** August 05, 2004, 06:15:07 PM »

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Originally posted by TweetyBird
An what fact still looms large - oh yea,
Kerry went to Viet Nam, Bush dodged Viet Nam.

Funny how that fact just kinda looms there no matter how hard the dittoheads try to smear his service record.

you are a liar. bush flew fighter jets and had no choice what type. by flying a combat aircraft he had a very good chance of winding up in vn whether he wanted to or not. the unit he went to had pilots and aircraft flying in vn. do you think a lie repeated a hundred times becomes true? hes a fighter pilot what in the hell did you ever do?

Gunslinger · « **Reply #9 on:** August 05, 2004, 06:21:03 PM »

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Originally posted by TweetyBird
An what fact still looms large - oh yea,
Kerry went to Viet Nam, Bush dodged Viet Nam.

Funny how that fact just kinda looms there no matter how hard the dittoheads try to smear his service record.

No one would be smearing it if he did not bring it up as a campagn issue.

AWMac · « **Reply #10 on:** August 05, 2004, 06:51:02 PM »

But, but, but Clinton served... right?

Piss Ant Democrats.....

Captain Virgil Hilts · « **Reply #11 on:** August 05, 2004, 06:58:47 PM »

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Originally posted by TweetyBird
An what fact still looms large - oh yea,
Kerry went to Viet Nam, Bush dodged Viet Nam.

Funny how that fact just kinda looms there no matter how hard the dittoheads try to smear his service record.

Kerry makes his service and his citations an issue himself. He has since he began his run for President. He is in fact running on his record as a sailor, and not on his record as a member of the legislative branch of government. This should be obvious to even the casual observer, since rather than talk about the issues and his voting record, he salutes, stands before the flag, and surrounds himself with crewmates like he's John F. Kennedy.

Now, so long as he can back up everything he claims, he's good to go. If however it comes to light that the truth is more what the other swift boat veterans say, he's put himself in that position.

Something I've noticed. I don't remember Al Gore making nearly so much of his time in country during his run against Bush. At least Gore did spend a considerable amount of time in country. Now if Bush's service was so weak, and Gore's so strong, why didn't Gore make something of it? Makes you wonder doesn't it? Is Kerry so much weaker than even Gore was that he needs an extra crutch to run against Bush?

Saurdaukar · « **Reply #12 on:** August 05, 2004, 07:13:40 PM »

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Originally posted by TweetyBird
An what fact still looms large - oh yea,
Kerry went to Viet Nam, Bush dodged Viet Nam.

Funny how that fact just kinda looms there no matter how hard the dittoheads try to smear his service record.

1.) Since when does ANG service = dodging?

2.) Examination of a service reacord isnt "smearing."

3.) Why are we discussing Bush again in a Kerry thread?

Gunslinger · « **Reply #13 on:** August 05, 2004, 07:27:45 PM »

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Originally posted by Saurdaukar
1.) Since when does ANG service = dodging?

2.) Examination of a service reacord isnt "smearing."

3.) Why are we discussing Bush again in a Kerry thread?

This was orriginally a half assed troll but what the hey its a good topic of discussion anyways.

Here's the reason for NO. 3 Saur (even though I know it was a rhetorical qustion)

They cannot disput this. Kerry has serious character flaws and their only argument is that he served and bush didnt.

Well, Dole served and Clinton didn't so what's your point?

I will not stop saying I've come to recognize the type of officer Kerry was by reading about his "exploits".

I've served with the exact same type and they are dangerous....not to the enemy but to themselves and the men in their charge.

Thrawn · « **Reply #14 on:** August 05, 2004, 08:40:38 PM »

Clarke and Woodward are just trying to flog books! Oops, wrong thread.