Author Topic: I was wrong about kerry (Read 1763 times)

Gunslinger · « **Reply #45 on:** August 06, 2004, 08:16:25 AM »

As if you guys wouldn't leave Bush alone if he ran around touting that he was a bigtime national guard hero during 'nam. You would be all over that like white on rice.

It just goes to show the elitist attitude that librals have. Here's a group of guys who saw kerry in action in a leadership position and saw him fail miserable at it.

They are not dittoheads....they are not RNC cronies.....they are vietnam vets just like kerry.

Toad · « **Reply #46 on:** August 06, 2004, 08:33:48 AM »

Funk, give me that link you posted to the F-102 stats again please? Compared fatality rates flying 102's and other jets?

For those of you that think UPT and 102's in the Guard isn't serving, how many of you have actually soloed a supersonic jet?

You guys that make light of UPT and Guard flying simply show your ignorance, IMO. It may appear "easy" and "safe" to you but that's just because you haven't done it. I think there's very few guys wearing military aviator wings that don't have a few tales that center around how lucky they are to still be on the right side of the grass.

Gunslinger · « **Reply #47 on:** August 06, 2004, 08:43:52 AM »

I still don't think this has anything to do w/ bush or his ANG service. He's not the one running on hs record as a "war hero"

Kerry scares the hell out of me. These guys that served with him have sone VERY interesting things to say about his "awards".

We'll see what happens when "unfit for command" hits the shelves.

Toad · « **Reply #48 on:** August 06, 2004, 08:56:16 AM »

Oh, one other aspect of the current Kerry/war debate.

His crewmembers generally support him.

His fellow officers and others in his boat squadron apparently do not.

Now some say well, go with the crew; what do guys that weren't in the boat know?

My take on that is both know things about him. The crew has worked with him as their leader. As such, they pretty much did what he told them when on duty and formed their opinion from that. Unless the Navy or Swift's was different, officers and enlisted didn't fraternize a lot off duty. In fact, it was probably discouraged. So, they've seen him as a leader during Swift missions.

His fellow officers, his squadron mates, were probably the guys he lived with and socialized with on a daily basis for 4 months. These are the guys that he had political discussions with, talked about life with and generally really got to know.

The officers in a squadron knows the "pecking order" too, I think. Crew commanders know where they and their crew rank on the list of who gets it right and who can't be trusted to get it right.

Just an observation.

TheDudeDVant · « **Reply #49 on:** August 06, 2004, 09:22:42 AM »

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I will not stop saying I've come to recognize the type of officer Kerry was by reading about his "exploits". I've served with the exact same type and they are dangerous....not to the enemy but to themselves and the men in their charge.Gunsliger

You know nothing about kerry other than the propaganda you fill your head and thoughts with.. I find it appauling you would disrespect another's service if you yourself indeed served in the armed forces..

A few simple questions of Kerry's 'type' of officer.

1. How many of the men serving under Kerry died to hostile action?

2. How many men did Kerry's action save?

Toad · « **Reply #50 on:** August 06, 2004, 10:39:18 AM »

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Originally posted by TheDudeDVant
You know nothing about kerry other than the propaganda you fill your head and thoughts with..

None of us do. Not even you.

Same with Bush.

Eagler · « **Reply #51 on:** August 06, 2004, 11:30:08 AM »

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Originally posted by Gunslinger

got to admit its a great photo of the **** - LOL

anonymous · « **Reply #52 on:** August 06, 2004, 11:33:17 AM »

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Originally posted by TheDudeDVant
You know nothing about kerry other than the propaganda you fill your head and thoughts with.. I find it appauling you would disrespect another's service if you yourself indeed served in the armed forces..

A few simple questions of Kerry's 'type' of officer.

1. How many of the men serving under Kerry died to hostile action?

2. How many men did Kerry's action save?

know nothing? his perjurous testimony before the us senate is on file. he himself later recanted some of the testimony. how do you recant your own eye witness accounts? we KNOW that he lied before us senate and we KNOW that his lies were perfect for enemy use as propoganda. people like you apparently KNEW that BUSH LIED about several things until actual investigations proved that he wasnt lying. the only people so far that have been shown to KNOW NOTHING are people like you.

TweetyBird · « **Reply #53 on:** August 06, 2004, 12:06:33 PM »

I'm not putting down anyone who serves in any branch of the military. But you cant hope to disect one candidates service record and not get tit for tat back. Its just beating the drum for the sheep anyway. I doubt many seriously torn between the two candidates are paying attention to any of it.

In 2000, Bush barely squeaked by Gore. Gore had to deal with Clinton fatigue. Kerry doesn't.

Bush has a few feathers in his cap since then (capturing Saddam Hussein, removing the Taliban, and learning world geography), but he has few problems (e.g., appointing the anemic Tom Ridge as the first Secretary of Homeland security, no exit stategy from Iraq, the over 2 trillion dollars in debt he's run up etc.). He also has the problem that some people honestly believe the Supreme Court gave him the election or 2000.

I see a bunch of people (in this forum) say how Bush is going to win by a landslide. Im my opinion he's making the same mistake his father made - arrogance. He's underestimating Kerry, and overestimating his wartime popularity.

But we'll see.

TweetyBird · « **Reply #54 on:** August 06, 2004, 12:20:07 PM »

>>Kerry scares the hell out of me. These guys that served with him have sone VERY interesting things to say about his "awards".

We'll see what happens when "unfit for command" hits the shelves.
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Like this one?

>>Yesterday, reached at his home, Elliott said he regretted signing the affidavit and said he still thinks Kerry deserved the Silver Star.

''I still don't think he shot the guy in the back," Elliott said. ''It was a terrible mistake probably for me to sign the affidavit with those words. I'm the one in trouble here."<<

What we'll see when the book hits the shelves is even more back tracking. Sheep.

Eagler · « **Reply #55 on:** August 06, 2004, 12:20:28 PM »

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Originally posted by TweetyBird
....people (in this forum) say how Bush is going to win by a landslide.....

who ??? - LOL

LANDSLIDE BUSH!!

TweetyBird · « **Reply #56 on:** August 06, 2004, 12:24:14 PM »

>>who ??? - LOL
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Mostly the uniinformed EIB heads

Yeager · « **Reply #57 on:** August 06, 2004, 12:29:05 PM »

Three questions for kerry supporters (or Bush haters..whatever the difference may be):

1) Is it true kerry was awarded a total of three Purple Heart medals, all for extremely minor superficial wounds, of which two wounds occured in the absence of any enemy activity?

2) Is it true that any individual receiving three Purple Heart medals in Vietnam was given the opportunity to request rotation out of theater?

3) Is it true the Kerry served only four months in Vietnam?

TheDudeDVant · « **Reply #58 on:** August 06, 2004, 12:35:39 PM »

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Originally posted by Toad
None of us do. Not even you.

Same with Bush.

Agreed 100%.. But im not on a politically propt up bandwagon spinning lies about Bush or Kerry.. I attempt to read through all the propaganda and judge for myself. I dont attempt to spread the spin.. For certian I'm not proping a book that is already refruted by one of it's own character witnesses before it hits the shelf.. I do have my flaws, but believing in either political parties with closed eyes is not one of them...

For those that still wish to bash on Kerry's VN record and challange Kerry's leadership abilities in VN, I only ask you to answer my two questions placed in this thread....

TheDudeDVant · « **Reply #59 on:** August 06, 2004, 12:39:22 PM »

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Originally posted by Yeager
Three questions for kerry supporters (or Bush haters..whatever the difference may be):

1) Is it true kerry was awarded a total of three Purple Heart medals, all for extremely minor superficial wounds, of which two wounds occured in the absence of any enemy activity?

2) Is it true that any individual receiving three Purple Heart medals in Vietnam was given the opportunity to request rotation out of theater?

3) Is it true the Kerry served only four months in Vietnam?

Christ yeager... He went and he served.. wtf? do you people think he had all this planned out?? Who gives a **** what the wounds were.. He was there with the possibility of death...

I have doubts in all you so called 'vets' or ex-military people who would even attempt to belittle his service.. ****ing repulsive..