frustrated cont.

[DoctorYO]

Shane I guess if the shoe fits wear it..

The La7 is the most survivable plane in the planeset..  thats why i gave him that advice.. he's tired of dying so im giving him the best chance to survive with the least amount of skillset to learn.. note i didn't say shanemobile i said dweeb seven but if you take offense..  I happy to hear that...Truth always hurts the most...


you only need one skill set to fly it..  and thats understanding turn radii and throttle management.. (similiar to the attributes of the spit.. but the la7 is 70mph faster.)

once you understand that your aircraft is more adept at killing than say a spitfire.. or anything else in the main..  

Dont mean to hijack but i was serious when i I said fly the La7 not bait its the truth....

Hijack over..




new guy..  trust me on this fly the la7 listen to the other advice about not upping capped fields etc..  youll improve ...

Learn to cut throttle into a turn and accelerate out of the corner, much like driving a car... (downshifting into and accel out of it..) (dont cut full throttle, use more like 3/4 to 1/2 when cutting; but think turn radii whenever turning with something..

learn these skills and fly the la7.. you cant go wrong..

throw in some e fighting lessons for advanced training youll be a ace in no time..



DoctorYo

PS Shane fly a zeke/d11 for a tour..... you need to be re-educated... Then we will debate if you up for it..

[Shane]

Originally posted by DoctorYO
Shane I guess if the shoe fits wear it..
The La7 is the most survivable plane in the planeset..
once you understand that your aircraft is more adept at killing than say a spitfire.. or anything else in the main..  
Dont mean to hijack but i was serious when i I said fly the La7 not bait its the truth....
PS Shane fly a zeke/d11 for a tour..... you need to be re-educated... Then we will debate if you up for it..

survivabilty doesn't make one an "ace."  you're just encouraging the development of yet another HO/Run Dweeb. La7's not a plane ot learn acm in, it's a plane to take the acm you've learned in other planes to a higher level.

too many "la7 dweebs" don't even get to that point because they've never mastered acm in other planes - result?  whines about la7 this la7 that, which are merely disguised whines about *how* someone flies, not *what* someone flies. namely, running cherrypickers. these "e-fighting" "aces" in la7's are figments of your over active imagination. they're fairly cluess overall, this is very noticeable when you catch them alone or only with a single buddy.

I know quite well the qualities of a d11...  I can fly *anything* effectively, I merely choose the La7 for it's abilities to both run down runners and give spit/niki dweebs the shock of their lives when they get out turned - even slow...

innomi's stats page (tours 24+) shows me 631 kills to 204 deaths in a d11. and i flew it as aggressive as i fly any plane i pick for a sortie.  this isn't even including the time i've spent in one in the CT.

as for a zeke, i'll take a spit5 over one thank you very much.

I've done my time in almost all planes, with very few exceptions such as a 190f-8, even the hangar queens I've spent time in, especially in the CT where their qualities shine when matched with comparable planes from the same time frame.

[Max]

A question and a comment.

Question: Which La was available in Air Warriors?

Comment: I rarely fly the La7 in AH due to the fact that visibility over the front cowling is almost nill fronm a straight back or raised seat position...the "move-up" view. How do you La7 guys get hits?

DmdMax

[Shane]

AW had the la-5...


as for the la7, you get used to the semi-crappy views, and learn to shoot closer in, even then it's not easy... especially with deflection shots, 150 rds per 3 guns doesn't last that long, and the ballistics aren't all that great.

[DoctorYO]

I think we should the title of this thread Shanes frustrated..








As Sgt Wolka always said.

"Lighten up Frances"



DoctorYo



PS: Shane ive flown everycrate in this game so far also and the la7 is the best non perked ride in the game..  Also note if telling the man about turn radii (aggressive stall fighting for the numskull impaired) is corrupting his flying style compared to your wishes then im truely not sorry to offend..

[Shane]

Originally posted by DoctorYO
PS: Shane ive flown everycrate in this game so far also and the la7 is the best non perked ride in the game..  Also note if telling the man about turn radii (aggressive stall fighting for the numskull impaired) is corrupting his flying style compared to your wishes then im truely not sorry to offend..

the la7 is??  nooooo kidding!!!!  best for what, tho? stats will seem to contradict this claim as the la7 only has a middling k/d.  11 other non-perked fighters have better k/ds. as i said, the avg la7 weenie has no clue, and hence the cries for perking are.... misplaced.

i've been on the other side of the vs la7 equation, and let me tell ya, there's very little to whine about the plane, about *how* it's flown (like ponys and dorkas), sure, but about the plane itself, nah. it can get shot down just as easy as anything else in the right situation. and like several other planes, it has the ability to get outta dodge.

i highly doubt a noob would have much of a clue about turn radii... so try and spin it as fast as you can, it's you who's frustrated, apparently, hence the barely disguised la7 whine in a thread that it need not be in.

persoanlly i'd suggest a noob start off with the spit9, then progress to a f6f, then a yak9u, then a pony, then a 109, then jugs, then la7's...  and then round out with the rest of the set to find the plane/style that most suits their abilities and temperament.

[DoctorYO]

Ripnpaste:

the la7 is?? nooooo kidding!!!! best for what, tho? stats will seem to contradict this claim as the la7 only has a middling k/d. 11 other non-perked fighters have better k/ds. as i said, the avg la7 weenie has no clue, and hence the cries for perking are.... misplaced.

Ill use your own words for that foolish foolery; note a few thread replies earlier:

too many "la7 dweebs" don't even get to that point because they've never mastered acm in other planes

I never said I didn't agree with that but from the horses mouth (you) I cant say i dont concur..

IMO all latewar should be perked not just your beloved la7..  its just the best of the bunch..

in regards to what lwp508 wants to fly, i have to agree with the spit9 or the la7 as your initial aircraft.. (both aircraft can do it all just one is 70mph faster than the other; and the spit turns better and has better view/loadout options..)

Now this is my favorite part : Ripnpaste
    

innomi's stats page (tours 24+) shows me 631 kills to 204 deaths in a d11. and i flew it as aggressive as i fly any plane i pick for a sortie. this isn't even including the time i've spent in one in the CT.

I haven't been there in a while and im glad you reminded me of that excellent web site..  

Note Shane:

http://www.innomi.com/ahkillstats/careerstats.php?sortby=&player=shane

Note Doctoryo:

http://www.innomi.com/ahkillstats/careerstats.php?sortby=&player=Doctoryo

normally i don't bring up stats but since the above statement about your success in d11 im rofl....

but wait you fly aggressive right thats your rebuttal...  Well when my zeke k/d is higher than your boom and zoomers late war... then I think your talking thru the end of your buttocks... (heres another stat 3295 posts to DoctorYo's 362; im must say at least you got me beat in something..)

yeah i can run alright in the zeke,  the spit9, the p47d11, and the ki61 those are runner planes... ("uh huh i reckon" in my best sling blade voice)



stats a good one shane .......


DoctorYo


    
Ps:  lwp508  see how everyone gets along here..  just keep plugging away and youll get better. get as much training in the TA with trainers as you can..Because they offer accelerated learning over the MA ....

[fuzeman]

lwp  or A508,
First, we have good examples and bad.
The bad - We have two guys here that entered a 'heated debate',{editted}. See how some guys get so riled up about a plane another guy flies.
The good - Others have given some good advice.
We usually start people off in the Spitfire series because it's an overall good plane, leaning to a turnfighter because most new players end up in those kind of fights. Once you learn the game and the basic flying stuff, then branch out to other planes that YOU want to fly.
Learning curve is steep but go at it gently and not try to do too much and you should be ok.

[Shane]

unlike you, i don't hang around in friendly crowds picking people off and praying to get saved..  i'm sure we have quite different styles.

all late war planes perked huh?  sounds like heaven, being able to tear up noobs forced to fly planes with lesser performance in conjunction with general noobishness.

and oh... lol, you're a ROOK....  now that sure explains a lot.

[DipStick]

DoctorYo 4.4 K/H
Shane    13.7 K/H

Shows Shane does fly a bit more agressively.

[DoctorYO]

shane rarely rtb's hence no rtb return time... he flys the la7 independently giving him quicker transit time to the battle (zeke doesn't have that ability nor the d11)  he only flys defense with no deep missions into enemy terroritory.. (la7 doesn't have range to do such...)

Fly two sectors into enemy territory by yourself and take on mutiple aircraft with no support kill a few, then return to base unscathed to talk about in a aircraft like a d11 (at minimum lower their alt so they attack your bases at lower alt.. hence easier meat for your base defenders ived changed the whole tides of the battle by doing this tactic at times this wins wars not the battle and at no attrition loss either.. if attrition was factored pilots like shane and the other suiciders would have no resources to fight a war..) and watch your KOT goto crap to..

 Go do a bomber escort mission if they dont attack the bomber group then guess what I may just end my sortie with no kills (bummer) (not a bummer when you fubared 2 bases and your countrymen start Blitzkreiging em..  If you exempt yourself from the above missions your KOT will go up too..  Do the above and watch it drop..

I can game the game too.. but overall rank in this game is fubar with no plane weighting for KOT stats.... (or K/D or any stat with no plane weighting) any fool can attack until death and increase their KOT scores.. (you cant run in a zeke or be passive that will get you killed)  The true stat for all combat (not just aircombat) is kills to deaths go do your history on warfare youll see im right again..  

Vailiant effort at discreditation but thwarted.. Nice try Dip...

There is a difference between aggressivness and suicide.... you know im right...  look at it this way he sporting less than 3 k/d on most of  his aircraft.. thats 3 kills auger or die   3 kills auger or die.. get the picture.. im not impressed..  you also see his k/d go to crap with inferior aircraft when he not using the big 4.. this is shure sign of plane weighting i get the same thing on my stats.. but my k/d is 3-5 times higher all around.. in some of the most flimsy slow non running aircraft in the game.. (zekes) I'd like to hear your rebuttal on this..


DoctorYo

[Shane]

rebuttal:

you're a rook.  

blahblah for blahblahing's sake:

i do not partake of hamstardness (I outgrew that sometime back when the hamstards started multiplying like a wet gremlin and turned it into a game of sheer numbers). i am not a horde monkey.  i do not care about k/d. I will continue to fly until either gas or ammo is gone, and still get kills even then, without ammo - sometimes even without gas.

i usually fight from a disadvantage in either alt or numbers, often both. i do not run from co-alt dot(s). I do not think, "crappies" i better get out of dodge before i screw up my precious k/d and leave someone hanging in the process, especially if i have gas or ammo to help.

totally different styles.  the only thing we may have in common is that i do fly into injun territory, 99.8% of the time alone. i tie up multiple hamstards, and kill them, too. i do defense, sure, against big red darbars.

i do know however, i can what do you better than you can do what i do... if i so chose to. and the one i do that you do is fly into enemy territory for interdiction.

lets take a look at Kills per sortie, which is a truer measure of "effectiveness" than K/D is.  we won't even throw in K/T into the equation.

and that this is merely a game, not real "war. so in effect there's nothing wrong with how you choose to fly, except that from my perspective, it's nothing impressive. i tear up dweebs like you all the time when i can actually catch you or pick you out of the crowd.

i mean how often do the k/d weenies pull out that particular stat as an indicator of skill when it's merely an indicator of judgement? there are plenty of times when i ask myself, "i can rtb now, should i?  naaaaaahhh."

what would you do when your horde buddies have all disappeared and all you see is me?  most likely you're gonna go down if some help doesn't arrive and you can't run fast enough.

personally i save the k/d weenieness for scenarios where attrition does come into play.

[DipStick]

A high k/d and low k/h tells me you probably cherry-pick and run alot. Guys like you have no idea how guys like Shane, and me for that matter, fight. Never will until you come down off that perch and mix it up.

[DoctorYO]

Shane im a knight... so your wrong yet once again... (you cant win with me can you...)been so even before your first accusation (i ignored your first simian goading response...) in fact if you broke down my original stats which i dont think Inommi's has becuase i left the game for about a year before the rook guantlet..  you would see I was a knight originally, then rook when they were getting pounded, still rook now that the numbers were skewed but to limited amount of sorties per camp..(really limited see for yourself)  so your halfwitted un researched claims are meritless.. now thats rooks are out of hand ive switched before your accusations.. (note before... for the shane impaired..)

totally different styles. the only thing we may have in common is that i do fly into injun territory, 99.8% of the time alone. i tie up multiple hamstards, and kill them, too. i do defense, sure, against big red darbars.

Its not we have different styles its you suicide yourself to death every sortie..I have no problem if you suicide yourself thats you.. but when you claim fame for doing such in the best plane in the game then i say your full of it..  Well go figure your KOT is going to be much higher..  Then you claim well i get more kills per sorties.. well as stated some of my missions i get no kills..  Exp in a zeke sometimes the enemy decides to never let me get a shot at them.. ever.. is that my fault they outspeed me by 90mph (la7) not really if they dont engage i cant kill them im not miracle worker even though ive been known to goad people into a fight over channel 1.. but beyond that if they dont want to fight im limited in opitons..

Now when im in a g10 then my stats go up..  if I flew the la7 same thing but even more so due to its strength below 10k being able to run anything down anything with a half of sector head start is a huge advantage..  you claim to fly the spit 5 (compared to you la7 time its a sorry claim..) but yet you fail to interpret this.. sometimes I dont even take off on the runway.. i click the wrong mission set wrong ammo or ord and just end mission right there....  but k/d you cant really cant game it..(unless you fly all late war.. hence plane weight would be appreciated from htc.. you cant trick the system or exploit it..  its always standard never dynamic..)

You keep talking how i do this and that.. yet you have no proof except heresay.. yet when i describe exactly how you game the game thru suicide tactics you then cry foul (even though your last post clearly admits what i described as your flying style..)  you a bag of laughs shane alot of bark no bite without your dweebmobile..  your debate is weak and unsubstantiated, with little to no proof of anything..  remember you brought the stats up ...  you did not me..  as I said Truth always hurts the most..  only thing you got me beat in is yapping 3200 posts and climbing..  you should be proud of that statistic.....I find it amusing your pulling the KOT card then More kills per sortie card when flying the unperked superplane that is the la7..

get the last word in... you know you want to.. and guess what Ill let you have it.. (note I'll "let" you have it...) debating with you is like debating a houseplant...

you made myday you really did... heresay claims, digging for stats, now mindreading how i fly ...  yet when i deductive reasoned how you flew by your own words i was dead on.. sucks debating DoctorYo doesn't it.. you cant win.. not if im in the right and I am..

Have a big fat Rook(im now knit, been so for a week) Muahahahah I now know why they nicknamed your the slobbermonkey..  Fitting..

have a nice day..



DoctorYO


PS Dipstick grats on flying the d11 successfully..  now start landing more than half the time, 2.0 kills to 1.4-5 is rather feeble minded to accuse anything but hey im not nocking you at least you fly d11...  your crew chief is going to give you demerits for all that ammo blown but whose counting....

the the below posts by shane..  you look disappointed with your slobbering..

i could easily slap you around in any ride you chose. but that's a different skill-set, one i bet you hardly possess.

Now I know ive been debating a houseplant.. Thats just plain belligerent.  I bet your best pilot on the planet too delivering presents for santa and Rudolf..  HO HO HO.....

4 kills is misrepresenting out of 22 is 18% how thats misrepresenting on day 13 of the month is a laugher, dig deeper for those wooden nickels in your pocket..  (who coined slobbermonkey damn thats good. )

[_Schadenfreude_]

Originally posted by DipStick
DoctorYo 4.4 K/H
Shane    13.7 K/H

Shows Shane does fly a bit more agressively.

the 461 kills as a ship gunner are particularly impressive!!!