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Offline gofaster

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« Reply #120 on: August 24, 2004, 09:58:00 AM »
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On Sunday, August 15, a 16-year-old girl in the town of Neka, northern Iran, was executed. Ateqeh Sahaleh was hanged in public on Simetry Street off Rah Ahan Street at the city center. ...

She told the religious judge, Haji Rezaii, that he should punish the main perpetrators of moral corruption not the victims. ...

The judge personally pursued Ateqeh’s death sentence, beyond all normal procedures and finally gained the approval of the Supreme Court. After her execution Rezai said her punishment was not execution but he had her executed for her “sharp tongue”.



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And though the Peugeot 206 is selling, said Jacques Manlay, the Tehran representative for Peugeot, no one is sure why and to whom. "All I know," he said, "is that it's a car for the young lady in the north of Tehran."


Looks like Peugeot just lost one potential customer.  I wonder if they care.

If the 16-year-old had been the daughter of a Peugeot dealer, would the company be so quick to get into Iran?
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« Reply #121 on: August 24, 2004, 12:35:27 PM »
GScholz,

Meaning no disrespect. Could you help me understand your position with a short direct paragraph. This thread has been very good. So much of it has been focused on your postion, but in your words everyone has been missing the mark.

Thank you,

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« Reply #122 on: August 24, 2004, 12:48:26 PM »
IN credible that this thread is stil open.;)
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« Reply #123 on: August 24, 2004, 03:16:03 PM »
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It's been said we have three brains, one cobbled on top of the next. The stem is first, the reptilian brain; then the mammalian cerebellum; finally the over developed cerebral cortex.  They don't work together in awfully good harmony - hence ax murders, mobs, and socialism.

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« Reply #124 on: August 24, 2004, 06:50:13 PM »
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Originally posted by Lizking
So then Ravells, we should just give up and allw evil to spread?


The evil, Lizking, is that more children die of starvation everyday in third world countries than are killed on the roads in the west.

I know that it's very easy to get worked up about one particular death...who was it who said, 'one death is a tragedy, a million deaths are a statistic'.

It seems to me, that the gung-ho lot on this board are far happier picking up little instances to demonise another race or country and look less into an international political 'blind eye' - of which all of us are a part. Where the blame might directly or indirectly lie on their countries.

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« Reply #125 on: August 24, 2004, 06:59:39 PM »
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Originally posted by jEEZY
Just a bit of clarification.  In the common law tradition, a person can create the necessary mental state (mens rea) to commit a crime at the age of seven.

This does not mean we shoud execute them for thier actions at such a tender age.  However, the idea that "children" at the age of 14 or 17 are not responsible for thier actions, or alternatively thier parents or society [sic] is in fact to blame has little merit.

Yes, indeed the death penalty is alive and well in the USA, but so procedural due process--the difference that seperates us from the rest of the world.


Different countries have different perspectives about the age of responsibity for a crime. Ultimately it's just a guess. In the UK it's 10 not 7.

Other countries have 'due process', not just America, you may be suprised to learn.

I'm ambivalent/against  the death penalty, but when you lot start saying..our death penalty is better than your death penalty - then you're really on a starter to nothing.

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« Reply #126 on: August 24, 2004, 07:03:34 PM »
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Originally posted by Torque
Actually Iran had a parliment and a budding democracy with an elected leader back in the fifties.

But some small things got in the way, like Oil reserves and western corporations.


And here we get to the wider question...good post, Torque.

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« Reply #127 on: August 24, 2004, 07:06:42 PM »
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Originally posted by Maverick
So what saddumb, usay and uday did was ok then.

Check.


Which is exactly why we need international legal standards on crime...but who won't join the world court?

Yep, you guessed it.

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« Reply #128 on: August 24, 2004, 07:12:13 PM »
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Originally posted by ravells
Different countries have different perspectives about the age of responsibity for a crime. Ultimately it's just a guess. In the UK it's 10 not 7.
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This statement is relevant to the post you quoted and is in fact interesting IMO. I didn't realize that age was the point of responsibility in your country. FWIW that age is set by the state, not the USA. It can vary from state to state here.

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Other countries have 'due process', not just America, you may be suprised to learn.
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He didn't say other countries didn't have a due process for legal prosecutions. Your statement seems to be trying to "put words in his mouth" and setting a troll. IFRC the thread started talking about Iran and the execution of a teenager, seemingly for a "sharp tongue". The article made it plain that she was not given an oportunity to have due process as she was not allowed legal counsel. Your comment was both impolite and unnecessary. Of course he is welcome to his opinion of Iranian justice as are you.

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I'm ambivalent/against  the death penalty, but when you lot start saying..our death penalty is better than your death penalty - then you're really on a starter to nothing.

Ravs


Again, he didn't make any such statement.
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« Reply #129 on: August 24, 2004, 07:17:05 PM »
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Originally posted by ravells
Which is exactly why we need international legal standards on crime...but who won't join the world court?

Yep, you guessed it.

Ravs


The world court has authority to do what? Yep you guessed it, nothing. Pretty much like the effect of numerous resolutions from the UN on saddumb.
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« Reply #130 on: August 24, 2004, 07:20:20 PM »
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Originally posted by Maverick
Again, he didn't make any such statement.


He said:  Yes, indeed the death penalty is alive and well in the USA, but so procedural due process--the difference that seperates us from the rest of the world.

He ought to be more accurate in his posts.

Unless you're referring to the Martians :)

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« Reply #131 on: August 24, 2004, 07:24:32 PM »
Actually the way I read it he was comparing our due process, not the death penalty.
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« Reply #132 on: August 24, 2004, 07:25:11 PM »
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Originally posted by Maverick
The world court has authority to do what? Yep you guessed it, nothing. Pretty much like the effect of numerous resolutions from the UN on saddumb.


Very different. With a world court we could actually try people who break internationally recognised norms, but sadly, and perhaps justifiably the US is afraid that the world court will be used to bring its leaders to trial for spurious reasons.

Nevertheless, I do think that there is a case for it and that the US should support it.

But yes, I hear what you say, and it has some force.

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« Reply #133 on: August 24, 2004, 07:27:09 PM »
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Originally posted by Maverick
Actually the way I read it he was comparing our due process, not the death penalty.


I meant the same due process....there are many countries in the world that practice the same form of criminal justice and follow the same processes.

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« Reply #134 on: August 24, 2004, 07:44:09 PM »
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Originally posted by DREDIOCK
Ok so what crime was it she supposedly commited to land her in court to begin with?



she got raped, and SHE got punished for having sex before marrage :rolleyes: :o
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