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Offline Gunslinger

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« on: August 29, 2004, 05:35:03 PM »
Chirac sent an envoy to Iraq recently to negotiate the release of two journalists.

The terrorists demands????? they want france to repeal the french ban on arab head scarfs in schools.

Think they will apease?
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« Reply #1 on: August 29, 2004, 05:44:30 PM »
They should never have passed such a damed intollerant anti-religious freedom law anyway...
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« Reply #2 on: August 29, 2004, 06:09:32 PM »
Helps when you check IDs for exams.
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« Reply #3 on: August 29, 2004, 06:13:21 PM »
Many french students wear full body burkas?  

Anyway I hear tis law bans all sort of religious symbols from crosses on necklaces, or stars of david, to headscarves that cover the hair, and the jewish yarmulka hat.. Seems very anti personal religious freedom of expression to me..  Especially for france, a country that thiunks of itself as a beacon of liberty in european tradion..
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« Reply #4 on: August 29, 2004, 06:15:41 PM »
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Many french students wear full body burkas?  

Anyway I hear tis law bans all sort of religious symbols from crosses on necklaces, or stars of david, to headscarves that cover the hair, and the jewish yarmulka hat.. Seems very anti personal religious freedom of expression to me..  Especially for france, a country that thiunks of itself as a beacon of liberty in european tradion..


You are wrong there GRUN.  France is becomeing one of the most secular countrys in europe.

Its happening here in the US as well.....no longer is it freedom of religion but freedom FROM religion.
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« Reply #5 on: August 29, 2004, 06:19:37 PM »
I think france fancies itself as a land of liberte..   Their actions dont mactch, but that was my point..  

Funny thing is France will soon have huge problems with its empoverished muslim underclass..
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« Reply #6 on: August 29, 2004, 06:26:33 PM »
It's a law about religious signs at school. France is a laïque country, you can have any religion you want, but school isn't the place to show it of.
It's not only the scarfs but any religious signs at school.

If you can't understand that it's the laïque system that keep us free, to have the religon i want, to think whatever i want to think, please Grunhertz stay where you are (and it seems obvious you won't visit us anytime soon)...
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« Reply #7 on: August 29, 2004, 06:28:46 PM »
My post says exactly what you said about this law..  Yet you have try to pick a fight, ok Quabie..

So french scholls are not a place for free expression..  What a wonderful atmosphere to indoctorinate children in uhhmm  what intolerance?

And I'll whereever the hell I want you damned insecure xenophobic french type..
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« Reply #8 on: August 29, 2004, 06:35:24 PM »
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... you damned insecure xenophobic french type..


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« Reply #9 on: August 29, 2004, 06:35:31 PM »
Of course the French will cave in.

Expecially if money becomes involved.


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« Reply #10 on: August 29, 2004, 06:39:52 PM »
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And I'll whereever the hell I want you damned insecure xenophobic french type..


Isn't that sentence xenophobic on french?

It seems you don't understand (or don't want to) that keeping something that has nothing to do with school away from it garanty our liberty and freedom.

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What a wonderful atmosphere to indoctorinate children in uhhmm what introlerance ?


Show me were is intolerance? We have the biggest musulman and jew community in europe living in almost harmony...
My country doesn't have 'god' in his national song, therefore we maybe aren't as 'indoctorinate' as you...
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« Reply #11 on: August 29, 2004, 06:47:44 PM »
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Isn't that sentence xenophobic on french?

It seems you don't understand (or don't want to) that keeping something that has nothing to do with school away from it garanty our liberty and freedom.

 

Show me were is intolerance? We have the biggest musulman and jew community in europe living in almost harmony...
My country doesn't have 'god' in his national song, therefore we maybe aren't as 'indoctorinate' as you...


Just playing devils advocate here (no pun intended)

If my religioun requires me to wear a head scarf in order to observe some type of significance wouldnt not allowing said scarf to be warn in school hinder my ability to properly practice my religion?

I agree that certain concessions need to be made IE if it hinders ability to check IDs or if said symbols become a destraction.

But saying I cant wear the cross of Jesus around my neck or the star of david or a head scarf because it doesnt belong in school is sheltering children that arent religious and hindering those that do.

Do you think France will give in to terrorist demands?
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« Reply #12 on: August 29, 2004, 06:51:30 PM »
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Isn't that sentence xenophobic on french?

It seems you don't understand (or don't want to) that keeping something that has nothing to do with school away from it garanty our liberty and freedom.

 

Show me were is intolerance? We have the biggest musulman and jew community in europe living in almost harmony...
My country doesn't have 'god' in his national song, therefore we maybe aren't as 'indoctorinate' as you...


No your anthem is just a bloodthirsty call for revenge and mass murder..

Your laws are intollerant by impose the standards of atheists on people of faith. Whats next? Is France going to demand that Sikh boys cut their hair so they can legally attend schools?
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« Reply #13 on: August 29, 2004, 06:59:40 PM »
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If my religioun requires me to wear a head scarf in order to observe some type of significance wouldnt not allowing said scarf to be warn in school hinder my ability to properly practice my religion?


At least a constructive post :)
You are right. You have to know how the school system works in France. You can go to 2 types of school, public or private school.
The law is only for public school, a place of neutrality. Private school can do whatever they want. So do the studant, he can go to public school and so accept neutrality in  religions, or go to a private school that accept ostentatious religious sings.

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Do you think France will give in to terrorist demands?

Sure not. France has never withdraw against terrorism.
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« Reply #14 on: August 29, 2004, 07:03:14 PM »


Or how about Jewish boy's hair curls? This a religious obligation for some sects of Judaism. Are french teachers going to tell him to cut it off before attending class.

I'm sure that Europe is going to love the image of yet another generation of intollerant state officals cutting off  the hair curls of Jewish men..

The more things change, well you know...
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