Author Topic: think france will cave? (Read 1795 times)

GRUNHERZ · « **Reply #15 on:** August 29, 2004, 07:05:51 PM »

So one has to be able to afford private school tutions in order to freely follow ones religion?

Does the French state fully subsidize such tutions for all students?

If not then I guess we can add that France not only practices religious intollerance but that they also deny the right to religious practice to the children of the poor.

Nice!

Ouaibe · « **Reply #16 on:** August 29, 2004, 07:07:42 PM »

Grunhertz you just prove your unability to read :

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Or how about Jewish boy's hair curls? This a religious obligation for some sects of Judaism. Are french teachers going to tell him to cut it off before attending class.

after that

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he can go to public school and so accept neutrality in religions, or go to a private school that accept ostentatious religious sings.

from me.

The more things change, well you know...

SOB · « **Reply #17 on:** August 29, 2004, 07:08:45 PM »

LOL, Grun, you crack me up.

RTStuka · « **Reply #18 on:** August 29, 2004, 07:10:59 PM »

I find it ironic that france protested this war and yet they are now the victims of the same people we are trying to remove. This should just go to show that these animals dont care what war you are inolved in, all it takes is you not believing in what every beliefs they share. I hope the world wakes up with these kidnappings and points out that everyone needs to be involved in the war against terrorism, and against nations run by dictators only interested in increasing their power.

GRUNHERZ · « **Reply #19 on:** August 29, 2004, 07:12:38 PM »

What if he is poor and cannot afford private school?

France, the land where the rich can send their kids to private schools that offer freedom of expression and where the poor cant have religious freedom for their children if they want them to learn to read and write!

Ouaibe · « **Reply #20 on:** August 29, 2004, 07:12:54 PM »

The thing that's beautifull about France, versus USA, is that private schools, if they are recognized by the state, have to cost the same as public school and students have the same privilege as others...

Grunhertz, no France isn't evil, we aren't as xenophobic as you.

GRUNHERZ · « **Reply #21 on:** August 29, 2004, 07:15:41 PM »

So the Freanch government pays for all private schol tuitions?

Or are you saying that all french schools including the public ones are just for the rich who can afford to pay for the fees..

In the USA public schools are free, in manyv ways, it seems...

Ripper29 · « **Reply #22 on:** August 29, 2004, 07:18:41 PM »

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Originally posted by GRUNHERZ
What if he is poor and cannot afford private school?

France, the land where the rich can send their kids to private schools that offer freedom of expression and where the poor cant have religious freedom for their children if they want them to learn to read and write!

Never mind I have been drinking...

SOB · « **Reply #23 on:** August 29, 2004, 07:21:45 PM »

Let it fly...the best posts always come from the bottle!

GRUNHERZ · « **Reply #24 on:** August 29, 2004, 07:22:09 PM »

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Originally posted by Ouaibe

Grunhertz, no France isn't evil, we aren't as xenophobic as you.

Lets look at the french anthenm to see how unxenophobic france is..

Fatherland... Check..

Evil foreign cohorts.. Check...

More fatherland.. Check..

Foreign Mercenary phalanxes... check!!!

Frenchmen, as magnanimous warriors... Uhhm, ok.. Check!

. Arise children of the fatherland
The day of glory has arrived
Against us tyranny's
Bloody standard is raised
Listen to the sound in the fields
The howling of these fearsome soldiers
They are coming into our midst
To cut the throats of your sons and consorts
To arms citizens
Form you battalions
March, march
Let impure blood
Water our furrows

2. What do they want this horde of slaves
Of traitors and conspiratorial kings?
For whom these vile chains
These long-prepared irons?
Frenchmen, for us, ah! What outrage
What methods must be taken?
It is we they dare plan
To return to the old slavery!

3. What! These foreign cohorts!
They would make laws in our courts!
What! These mercenary phalanxes
Would cut down our warrior sons
Good Lord! By chained hands
Our brow would yield under the yoke
The vile despots would have themselves be
The masters of destiny

4. Tremble, tyrants and traitors
The shame of all good men
Tremble! Your parricidal schemes
Will receive their just reward
Against you we are all soldiers
If they fall, our young heros
France will bear new ones
Ready to join the fight against you

5. Frenchmen, as magnanimous warriors
Bear or hold back your blows
Spare these sad victims
Who with regret are taking up arms against us
But not these bloody despots
These accomplices of Bouillé
All these tigers who pitilessly
Are ripping open their mothers' breasts

6. Sacred Love for the Fatherland
Lead and support our avenging arms
Liberty, cherished liberty
Join the struggle with your defenders
Under our flags, let victory
hasten to you virile (or manly) force
So that in death your enemies
See your triumph and our glory!

7. We shall enter into the pit
When our elders will no longer be there
There we shall find their ashes
And the mark of their virtues
We are much less jealous of surviving them
Than of sharing their coffins
We shall have the sublime pride
Of avenging or joining them

Ouaibe · « **Reply #25 on:** August 29, 2004, 07:22:56 PM »

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I find it ironic that france protested this war and yet they are now the victims of the same people we are trying to remove

We have protested against this war because it was done for the wrong reasons.
If you want to clear world from bestiality and tirants you should not respond with bestiality or you'll be seen as the same as them.
Afganistan was a nest of terrorist and was , in a part, responsible of the horrible attack of the 11 sept. We were there, with you as almost all free country in this world to stop them.
Iraq wasn't incriminated in the 11 sept, they weren't terrorists (Irak was a laïque country...), they didn't have WMD, but they had a tirant.
They were other ways to remove him and free Iraq from him. You did the wrong way with the wrong reasons.
Now see what happens there...

GRUNHERZ · « **Reply #26 on:** August 29, 2004, 07:26:44 PM »

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Originally posted by Ouaibe

They were other ways to remove him and free Iraq from him. You did the wrong way with the wrong reasons.
Now see what happens there...

Yep, I'm sure all those giant french oil companies getting fat on oil sanctions era schemes were working night and and day to remove saddam!

RTStuka · « **Reply #27 on:** August 29, 2004, 07:32:14 PM »

Ok im not an idiot and although I love my country and would fight to the death for it I do see that we have gone into the war with some bad decisions. But also I know that a dictator who killed thousands of his own people is no longer in power, the violence that we see now was taking place before the war we just never heard about it because it was covered up. To think that the kindnappings and bombings would never have taken place if we had not gone to war is ignorant, mabye there would not have been as many but they still would have happened. Do I think this war will end the terror NO, but do I think the world is safer without him in power YES, do I think the Iraqis will have a better future YES. I do also feel that you will never end terrorisim because for every OBL there will be someone to take his place.

Ouaibe · « **Reply #28 on:** August 29, 2004, 07:36:53 PM »

Grunhertz, our national anthenm is one of the most magnificant anthenm ever wrote (with USA i concede you that).

By the way do you know when and what for it was written ?
1792, second french revolution, the army of Rhin wrote this song to encourage there men preparing them to the fights they'll have to do against :

Evil foreign cohorts : Europe wasn't peaceful at that time, other countries tried to profit from the weakness of France after his 1789 revolution and have sent troops to re-establish royalty.

Foreign Mercenary phalanxes : read above.

Frenchmen, as magnanimous warriors : hum what? where's the problem here?

Ouaibe · « **Reply #29 on:** August 29, 2004, 07:43:59 PM »

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I do also feel that you will never end terrorisim because for every OBL there will be someone to take his place.

I found it funny that USA, who has suffer terrorism for the first time in 2001, told countries that suffers and FIGHT (sometimes successfully) against it for almost 40 years what to do about it.

We were right about WMD, we were right about the mess it will be after the end of the 'official' war...
Sure one more tirant down, at what price?