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Offline AKS\/\/ulfe

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« Reply #30 on: September 01, 2004, 12:32:47 AM »
I know GS, but you also threw in some tertiary elements that degraded your point and allowed others to attack it.

Just as an aside, I know and work with people who are foreign and have been here for 20+ years. Many of them don't speak proper English, but I understand them because I was atleast educated in languages (don't know them, but understand the basics of them) that allow me the ability to put their words into a sentence I understand. So I wouldn't go after their ability to speak English well, because in the end - that doesn't matter here since we have no official language and I'm willing to cope even though its trying at times.

As far as the speech, didn't see it. I didn't watch the DNC and haven't watched the RNC, simply don't interest me since I care for neither candidates.

BUT, speechwriters are the backbone to every politician and even in the underyling businesses. CEOs and chairmen of small companies even hire speechwriters, it assists them in conveying what they want. I'd be a little worried about someone who didn't have one, because that means they could be a smooth talker (used car salesman) that would end up screwing me in the end.

In the end, politicians come down to the people that truly support them and really make their decisions. Thats why people who vote on a president, but don't pay attention to their cabinet, scare me. They voted based on presentation, not based on those who really guide what happens.

Anywho, getting off topic.
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« Reply #31 on: September 01, 2004, 12:42:36 AM »
No SW using a speechwriter completely invalidates any message you are trying to convey.  Get with the times man. :)

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« Reply #32 on: September 01, 2004, 12:49:00 AM »
I see Grun, but I'd been locked up in FunkedUp's basement for so long I've been completely disconnected from what's in. Speaking of which, his house is a museum you should avoid if you ever visit him.
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« Reply #33 on: September 01, 2004, 12:57:34 AM »
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Originally posted by AKS\/\/ulfe
I see Grun, but I'd been locked up in FunkedUp's basement for so long I've been completely disconnected from what's in. Speaking of which, his house is a museum you should avoid if you ever visit him.
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« Reply #34 on: September 01, 2004, 01:26:24 AM »
"They were JFK's speechwriters? Did they make him say "I am a doughnut" to the German people? What does these two people have to do with this discussion?"

Just to point out that all politicians use speechwriters and there use, doesn’t make their message a fraud.

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« Reply #35 on: September 01, 2004, 01:28:09 AM »
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Just to point out that all politicians use speechwriters and there use, doesn’t make their message a fraud.


Kennedy was a fraud, he was lying when he said that the USA should go to the moon.

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« Reply #36 on: September 01, 2004, 02:49:06 AM »
“Not all politicians use speechwriters. It's just the sad truth that in the USA now every politician must have a PR machine to be successful and get his/her message to the people. Votes are collected on emotions and fine words and ideals rather than action and merit. It says more about the American voter than the politicians though.”



Really, which ones? What comes first? Fine words and ideals or action and merit?

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« Reply #37 on: September 01, 2004, 02:52:41 AM »
GS seems to want bureoucrats not inspirational leaders...  

Thats fine for a country whoose biggest national problem is how to invest their oil revenues but it's not gonna do for the USA..

Damned oil peddling euro-arabs! :)

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« Reply #38 on: September 01, 2004, 05:56:28 AM »
Thank you.


What a greeting!


This is like winning an Oscar! ...As if I would know! Speaking of acting, one of my movies was called "True Lies." It's what the Democrats should have called their convention.


My fellow Americans, this is an amazing moment for me. To think that a once scrawny boy from Austria could grow up to become Governor of California and stand in Madison Square Garden to speak on behalf of the President of the United States that is an immigrant's dream. It is the American dream.


I was born in Europe ...and I've traveled all over the world. I can tell you that there is no place, no country, more compassionate more generous more accepting and more welcoming than the United States of America.


As long as I live, I will never forget that day 21 years ago when I raised my hand and took the oath of citizenship.


Do you know how proud I was? I was so proud that I walked around with an American flag around my shoulders all day long.


Tonight, I want to talk about why I'm even more proud to be an American — why I'm proud to be a Republican and why I believe this country is in good hands.


When I was a boy, the Soviets occupied part of Austria. I saw their tanks in the streets. I saw communism with my own eyes. I remember the fear we had when we had to cross into the Soviet sector. Growing up, we were told, "Don't look the soldiers in the eye. Look straight ahead." It was a common belief that Soviet soldiers could take a man out of his own car and ship him off to the Soviet Union as slave labor.


My family didn't have a car — but one day we were in my uncle's car. It was near dark as we came to a Soviet checkpoint. I was a little boy, I wasn't an action hero back then, and I remember how scared I was that the soldiers would pull my father or my uncle out of the car and I'd never see him again. My family and so many others lived in fear of the Soviet boot. Today, the world no longer fears the Soviet Union and it is because of the United States of America!


As a kid I saw the socialist country that Austria became after the Soviets left. I love Austria and I love the Austrian people — but I always knew America was the place for me. In school, when the teacher would talk about America, I would daydream about coming here. I would sit for hours watching American movies transfixed by my heroes like John Wayne. Everything about America seemed so big to me so open, so possible.


I finally arrived here in 1968. I had empty pockets, but I was full of dreams. The presidential campaign was in full swing. I remember watching the Nixon and Humphrey presidential race on TV. A friend who spoke German and English, translated for me. I heard Humphrey saying things that sounded like socialism, which is what I had just left. But then I heard Nixon speak. He was talking about free enterprise, getting government off your back, lowering taxes and strengthening the military. Listening to Nixon speak sounded more like a breath of fresh air.


I said to my friend, "What party is he?" My friend said, "He's a Republican." I said, "Then I am a Republican!" And I've been a Republican ever since! And trust me, in my wife's family, that's no small achievement! I'm proud to belong to the party of Abraham Lincoln, the party of Teddy Roosevelt, the party of Ronald Reagan (news - web sites) and the party of George W. Bush.


To my fellow immigrants listening tonight, I want you to know how welcome you are in this party. We Republicans admire your ambition. We encourage your dreams. We believe in your future. One thing I learned about America is that if you work hard and play by the rules, this country is truly open to you. You can achieve anything.


Everything I have my career my success my family I owe to America. In this country, it doesn't make any difference where you were born. It doesn't make any difference who your parents were. It doesn't make any difference if, like me, you couldn't even speak English until you were in your twenties.


America gave me opportunities and my immigrant dreams came true. I want other people to get the same chances I did, the same opportunities. And I believe they can. That's why I believe in this country, that's why I believe in this party and that's why I believe in this President.


Now, many of you out there tonight are "Republican" like me in your hearts and in your beliefs. Maybe you're from Guatemala. Maybe you're from the Philippines. Maybe Europe or the Ivory Coast. Maybe you live in Ohio, Pennsylvania or New Mexico. And maybe just maybe you don't agree with this party on every single issue. I say to you tonight I believe that's not only okay, that's what's great about this country. Here we can respectfully disagree and still be patriotic still be American and still be good Republicans.

My fellow immigrants, my fellow Americans, how do you know if you are a Republican? I'll tell you how.

If you believe that government should be accountable to the people, not the people to the government...then you are a Republican! If you believe a person should be treated as an individual, not as a member of an interest group... then you are a Republican! If you believe your family knows how to spend your money better than the government does... then you are a Republican! If you believe our educational system should be held accountable for the progress of our children ... then you are a Republican! If you believe this country, not the United Nations (news - web sites), is the best hope of democracy in the world ... then you are a Republican! And, ladies and gentlemen ...if you believe we must be fierce and relentless and terminate terrorism ... then you are a Republican!

There is another way you can tell you're a Republican. You have faith in free enterprise, faith in the resourcefulness of the American people ... and faith in the U.S. economy. To those critics who are so pessimistic about our economy, I say: "Don't be economic girlie men!"

The U.S. economy remains the envy of the world. We have the highest economic growth of any of the world's major industrialized nations. Don't you remember the pessimism of 20 years ago when the critics said Japan and Germany were overtaking the U.S.? Ridiculous!

Now they say India and China are overtaking us. Don't you believe it! We may hit a few bumps — but America always moves ahead! That's what Americans do!

We move prosperity ahead. We move freedom ahead. We move people ahead. Under President Bush (news - web sites) and Vice President Cheney, America's economy is moving ahead in spite of a recession they inherited and in spite of the attack on our homeland.

Now, the other party says there are two Americas. Don't believe that either. I've visited our troops in Iraq (news - web sites), Kuwait, Bosnia, Germany and all over the world. I've visited our troops in California, where they train before they go overseas. And I've visited our military hospitals. And I can tell you this: Our young men and women in uniform do not believe there are two Americas!

They believe we are one America and they are fighting for it! We are one America — and President Bush is defending it with all his heart and soul!

That's what I admire most about the President. He's a man of perseverance.

He's a man of inner strength. He is a leader who doesn't flinch, doesn't waiver, does not back down. My fellow Americans, make no mistake about it terrorism is more insidious than communism, because it yearns to destroy not just the individual, but the entire international order. The President didn't go into Iraq because the polls told him it was popular. As a matter of fact, the polls said just the opposite. But leadership isn't about polls. It's about making decisions you think are right and then standing behind those decisions. That's why America is safer with George W. Bush as President.

He knows you don't reason with terrorists. You defeat them. He knows you can't reason with people blinded by hate. They hate the power of the individual. They hate the progress of women. They hate the religious freedom of others. They hate the liberating breeze of democracy. But ladies and gentlemen, their hate is no match for America's decency.

We're the America that sends out Peace Corps volunteers to teach village children. We're the America that sends out missionaries and doctors to raise up the poor and the sick. We're the America that gives more than any other country, to fight aids in Africa and the developing world. And we're the America that fights not for imperialism but for human rights and democracy.

You know, when the Germans brought down the Berlin Wall, America's determination helped wield the sledgehammers. When that lone, young Chinese man stood in front of those tanks in Tiananmen Square, America's hopes stood with him. And when Nelson Mandela smiled in election victory after all those years in prison, America celebrated, too.
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« Reply #39 on: September 01, 2004, 05:57:05 AM »
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We are still the lamp lighting the world especially for those who struggle. No matter in what labor camp, they slave no matter in what injustice they're trapped — they hear our call ... they see our light ... and they feel the pull of our freedom. They come here as I did because they believe. They believe in us.

They come because their hearts say to them, as mine did, "If only I can get to America." Someone once wrote — "There are those who say that freedom is nothing but a dream." They are right. It's the American dream.

No matter the nationality, no matter the religion, no matter the ethnic background, America brings out the best in people. And as Governor of the great state of California — I see the best in Americans every day ... our police, our firefighters our nurses, doctors and teachers, our parents.

And what about the extraordinary men and women who have volunteered to fight for the United States of America! I have such great respect for them and their heroic families.

Let me tell you about the sacrifice and commitment I've seen firsthand. In one of the military hospitals I visited, I met a young guy who was in bad shape. He'd lost a leg had a hole in his stomach ... his shoulder had been shot through.

I could tell there was no way he could ever return to combat. But when I asked him, "When do you think you'll get out of the hospital?" He said, "Sir, in three weeks." And do you know what he said to me then? He said he was going to get a new leg ... and get some therapy ... and then he was going back to Iraq to serve alongside his buddies! He grinned at me and said, "Arnold ... I'll be back!"

Ladies and gentlemen, America is back! Back from the attack on our homeland — back from the attack on our economy, back from the attack on our way of life. We're back because of the perseverance, character and leadership of the 43rd President of the United States, George W. Bush.

My fellow Americans ...I want you to know that I believe with all my heart that America remains "the great idea" that inspires the world. It's a privilege to be born here. It's an honor to become a citizen here. It's a gift to raise your family here to vote here and to live here.

Our president, George W. Bush, has worked hard to protect and preserve the American dream for all of us. That's why I say ... send him back to Washington for four more years!

Thank you, America — and God bless you all!
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« Reply #40 on: September 01, 2004, 08:22:13 AM »
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Originally posted by GScholz
That the words he spoke weren't his own.


And you KNOW this how? If he had a professional speech writer polish his speech does this mean the concept, body and opinions were not his?

Please post the definitive proof that the speech has nothing to do with Arnold's ideals, thoughts or concepts so the rest of the world can gain from your insight.

BTW I am not watching the RNC any more than I watched the DNC. To me it's a bit of overkill since both sides already had chosen both of their cantidates.
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« Reply #41 on: September 01, 2004, 08:31:41 AM »
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Everything I have my career my success my family I owe to America. In this country, it doesn't make any difference where you were born. It doesn't make any difference who your parents were. It doesn't make any difference if, like me, you couldn't even speak English until you were in your twenties.



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« Reply #42 on: September 01, 2004, 08:34:42 AM »
just as I predicted... the high point of the convention and a great speach...

and... the socialists on this board are beside themselves trying to belittle it and him...

Everyone knows that only big socialist goverment can save us...  How dare Arnie flaunt the American dream....  

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« Reply #43 on: September 01, 2004, 09:55:12 AM »
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My comment on Arnold's bad English was in context with my point that he did not write the speech himself. But by all means, go ahead and take it personal. It was expected.

Politician ... check.

Actor ... check.

Speechwriter ... check.

Cheering crowds ... check.

Me laughing ... check.

I'll wait for the live telecasted debates.


How do you know he didn't write his own speech GScholz? You know what they say about assumptions?
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« Reply #44 on: September 01, 2004, 11:34:54 AM »
Does this mean that if I use spellchecker,it isn't really my post?:confused: