So ... what's up with Iraq?

[SFRT - Frenchy]

USA getting their butt kicked there, seems like they are fighting with both hands tied in the back. Marines had to retreat from Fallujah, as soon as they were fighting back, Iraqies used collateral damages has anti-US propaganda. The enemy is increasing attacks against US Army even in American controled areas.

Will that go against Bush for his re-election? Will USA have to withdraw? Will USA try to roll over the mess to UN?

... or is it the medias that over exagerate the situation in Iraq over a couple of isolated trouble spots, and USA will stabilize Iraq?

Is this article justified?

[Muckmaw1]

Originally posted by SFRT - Frenchy

... or is it the medias that over exagerate the situation in Iraq over a couple of isolated trouble spots, and USA will stabilize Iraq?

BINGO.

[Mickey1992]

I don't think the media is exaggerating the issue.  Even the military estimates that the number of insurgents is now two or three times greater than they first thought.

Hell, today they knocked out power to the whole country.

[flyingaround]

Talk to anybody that has spent time recently in Iraq.  The picture painted by the media is FAR diff that what is realitly.  

From watching the news it looks like a never ending battleground  where the U.S. are backpedaling on their heels as the majority of Iraqi's are attacking them.

Not even close the the truth.  Don't let the 10second sound bytes fool you, MOST of the people in Iraq are happy, and in general NOT trying to kill our troops.

[AKIron]

Our troops will continue to hang in there, kill the bad guys when they show themselves and avoid needless killing. Elections will take place in January and we can begin to reduce our presence. Hard line Muslms will then attempt to overthrow the new democratic Iraqi government and the there may be civil war. The US will support the democratically elected government and it will eventually win the war.

[Edbert]

I do not think that the situation in Iraq today is a debacle, or that it will not work out well, and I plan on voting for Dubya in November.

BUT...

I must say I am less than pleased with the way our military is prosecuting the war with the terrorists in Iraq right now. Notice I do not use words like rebels and insurgents? The predominantly non-Iraqi militant-muslims that we are engaging over there are blowing up civilians as at the Police Station yesterday. Call a spade a spade for once.

What I am worried about is that I am seeing hints that our military has politics as an overriding concern as opposed to the safety of it's soldiers and the deaths of it's opponenets. Sounds a lot like what happened in Vietnam, where a Thud would be receiving AAA from a building and was ordered NOT to blow up said building because there might be some political fallout. If our soldiers are not free to return fire in an overwhelming way they should be pulled out. They are there to kill people and blow stuff up, they are not policemen, and should not be used as peacekeepers.

[SFRT - Frenchy]

I would agree with Elbert, alas I fear that if US withdraw, Democratic Iraq will fall (even with "American advisors" help) and the war (money and men loss) would have been fough for very little results.

[Dowding]

The US will support the democratically elected government and it will eventually win the war.

Maybe. But I wouldn't count on it - I think the US has dug a great big hole for itself in Iraq and has pulled us in with it.

[Saurdaukar]

Originally posted by flyingaround
Talk to anybody that has spent time recently in Iraq.  The picture painted by the media is FAR diff that what is realitly.  
 

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[Toad]

Originally posted by Edbert MOL

What I am worried about is that I am seeing hints that our military has politics as an overriding concern as opposed to the safety of it's soldiers and the deaths of it's opponenets. Sounds a lot like what happened in Vietnam,

I have that same feeling.

We had a bunch of the truly bad guys flatout cornered in the Imam Ali Mosque. They had nowhere to go. We let them get away clean.

That was stupid.

THAT was VietNamish.

[Edbert]

Originally posted by Toad
I have that same feeling.

We had a bunch of the truly bad guys flatout cornered in the Imam Ali Mosque. They had nowhere to go. We let them get away clean.

That was stupid.

THAT was VietNamish.

Exactamundo! Within a day of his release his 'militia' (terrorists to the man) was at it again, killing civilians in the name of Allah.

[Bodhi]

Originally posted by Toad
I have that same feeling.

We had a bunch of the truly bad guys flatout cornered in the Imam Ali Mosque. They had nowhere to go. We let them get away clean.

That was stupid.

THAT was VietNamish.

I agree too Toad, but had we, or the new Iraqi government destroyed that Mosque, the majority of the Shiites would have come down harder than what has happened.  

My bet is Sadr, and his terrorist band will be waxed (him specifically) within the next month.

[Toad]

Bodhi, they weren't going anywhere.

Would you rather have them starving in the Mosque for 6 months or out running around town shooting things up and planting mines by the road?

I'd have built a wall around that place.

[Nefarious]

If the military has politics as its main concerns...

Then maybe we should blame our policy makers, instead of our Military, for after all thier just following orders.

[GreenCloud]

we are going to do a bit of political war..which is very sad,...blame it on Oprah..

but wehat i recenlty read ..


for every one death of our military soldier..(which I hate)

50 terrorists insurgents die..(which is good)


let them bleed to death

Allah Ackbar