Girly Man?

[Morpheus]

Originally posted by ra
Yup, Arnold is all about Arnold.

How many crimes have been committed with .50s in California?

Who would be stupid enough to want to carry the damned thing around? On average a 50 cal bolt gun weighs in at around 35 pounds. And those are the light ones.

Arnold should have stuck to movie making and eating steroids. Hes a moron in every other aspect.

Maybe cali will break off once and for all from the main land.

[Morpheus]

Originally posted by Terror
This is just wrong. A single shot rifle banned. And to think a 300 Win Mag or 300 Remington Ultra Mag are more accurate and deadly at extreme ranges than the .50 Cal. The Anti-Gun groups are just nibbling away caliber by caliber.

We need to get these laws in court and have them struck down as unconstitutional.

Terror

I dont want to get off topic here but this is not true.

The 50BMG bullet doesnt even begin stabalize until around 600 yards. At which point it becomes a lazer with todays elite ammo loads. In a bolt gun, the 50 cal is a big, bad accurate monster.

[vorticon]

Originally posted by Mini D
are dems supposed to like Arnold now because he signed a bill, or are republicans supposed to hate him now?

 

heh...seems that even the dems on this board thing it was a pretty foolish and wastefull thing...

[Mini D]

especially if a republican signed it.

[AKIron]

Well, we're always gonna have laws protecting us. Slippery slope and all, gotta draw the line somewhere. I don't want my neighbor parking a howitzer in his front yard. Just gotta remain vigilant in keeping that line defining our right to firearms in a place that makes sense.

[vorticon]

I don't want my neighbor parking a howitzer in his front yard.

why not? it cant possibly be used for anything except shelling the neighboring towns sports arena when your team loses to em.

[Terror]

Originally posted by MoRphEuS
I dont want to get off topic here but this is not true.

The 50BMG bullet doesnt even begin stabalize until around 600 yards. At which point it becomes a lazer with todays elite ammo loads. In a bolt gun, the 50 cal is a big, bad accurate monster.

The problem is the .50 cal BMG drops in speed very quickly after about 1800m.  Whereas the 30cal bullets of the 300WM and the 300RUM carry their speed farther down range.  Has something to do with CoEfficient of Drag.  (Saw the math somewhere on the net, just can't find it now.)  Most of the 2000+ meter shots have been accomplished with 300WM and 300RUM cartridges.  

Now don't get me wrong, the 50cal BMG is still accurate and deadly at those ranges, just not quite as much as the other two cartridges.  I'm just saying that if they can ban the 50cal, then these other calibers will be next on this list.

Terror

PS.  After reading back, this is definitely a thread Hi-Jack.  Sorry.  I was just trying to make the point that this is a step in the [wrong] direction of making all kinds of weapons illegal based on caliber alone.

[bustr]

The first time it was voted on there were not enough votes. Something like 35 to 34. The Dems called for a recount. After casting their votes several of them got up and walked over to absent lawmakers seats and cast "ghost votes". No one complained even though it is against California law to do so.

I think the intent of the 2A in the constitution based on the Federalist Papers is to give "We The People" of the United States a mechanism to counter activities like this. If they can cast "ghost votes" to ban one specific firearm. They can cast "ghost votes" to confiscate all firearms in California.

To think that a body of people will at some point regulate themselves after succeeding with  one criminal action  in the presence of 100 or so witnesses is disingenuous and naive. Human nature is to run with it at the expence of those they govern adfinitum.

The Constitution and Bill of Rights is a timeless monument to the bad side of human nature. It provides strategic curbs to what humans then, now, and 1000 years from now will do to "We the People" if no one stands in their way. Whats sad is it costs the life of the first resolute citizen to enact the protections of the constitution before the cowards quit jeering and take it for real.

[AKIron]

If what you say is true bustr then those Kalifornia reps should be impeached. Unless of course it has become a completely lawless state.

[Terror]

Originally posted by AKIron
Well, we're always gonna have laws protecting us. Slippery slope and all, gotta draw the line somewhere. I don't want my neighbor parking a howitzer in his front yard. Just gotta remain vigilant in keeping that line defining our right to firearms in a place that makes sense.

My opinion on this, just as long as he is not infringing on your rights, why shouldn't he have a Howitzer?  How would owning a Howitzer make it any more unsafe for you?  Now, if he fires it in an unsafe or irresposible manner, he should be 100% responsible for his actions.  But saying it's illegal because he MIGHT be unsafe or irresponsible with it is wrong.

Terror

[AKIron]

Where do you draw the line then? Nuclear?

[Terror]

bustr,
Where is any info on this?  I've read nothing about this.  You think the NRA would jump all over information like that.

Terror

[-MZ-]

Originally posted by gofaster
So no more WW2 movies will be made in California?

No, prop houses get special permits from the state.  They get the most hassle from the feds when they want to use full-autos.

[bustr]

AKIron,

No it is a custom\common practice. It is a common problem in a number of states. The catch-22 for law makers is, now that I have sat here and witnessed it once or twice, if I blow the whistel, I am also guilty of abetting it by not blowing the whistle the very first time. In California the ATG is a Dem, Bill Lockyer. He also would like to ban all firearms in California. The charges would have to be brought to him in the first place.

This is the real reason for the 2A in the constitution. No one can address greivences to the state government about unconstitutional gun laws. The State Supreme Court and the 9th Circuit Court agree with the California Dems on gun control and its constitutionality. Lockyer tells people to "bite me".

[-MZ-]

Originally posted by bustr
The first time it was voted on there were not enough votes. Something like 35 to 34. The Dems called for a recount. After casting their votes several of them got up and walked over to absent lawmakers seats and cast "ghost votes". No one complained even though it is against California law to do so.

I'd be interested in seeing a source for this.  Normally, the legislature answers only to the legislature on how it conducts its affairs.