Author Topic: USSAF Statistics for 1944 (Read 3728 times)

Angus · « **Reply #120 on:** October 06, 2004, 06:34:02 AM »

Just had some nice numbers from the BoB.
Will mail you later, or post here.
Regards
Angus

Crumpp · « **Reply #121 on:** October 06, 2004, 01:27:58 PM »

Sure, email me, bro. I want to share some news offline with you anyway!

Crumpp

Angus · « **Reply #122 on:** October 07, 2004, 07:12:33 AM »

Digging into BoB data.
It's too much interesting stuff there to put into this thread, makes enough for a seperate.
I'll post a seperate thread for it, - bound to bring some interesting data as well as a flamefest.

Angus · « **Reply #123 on:** October 11, 2004, 10:20:32 AM »

Have some goodies for the BoB coming.
Found more data from the 16th of April 1943.
Source: Aces High by Christopher Shores.
That day saw the end of a RAF fighter ace, Ian Richard Gleed.
Here goes:
"On 16th of april he lead a raid in the Cap Bon area, hoping to intercept Axis transport aircraft. A large formation was seen and attacked, when escorting Bf109's and Fw190's intercepted, two Spitfires being shot down; these were Gleed's and his wingman's."
The claims made by the LW were from Bars men.

Angus · « **Reply #124 on:** October 11, 2004, 10:20:52 AM »

Have some goodies for the BoB coming.
Found more data from the 16th of April 1943.
Source: Aces High by Christopher Shores.
That day saw the end of a RAF fighter ace, Ian Richard Gleed.
Here goes:
"On 16th of april he lead a raid in the Cap Bon area, hoping to intercept Axis transport aircraft. A large formation was seen and attacked, when escorting Bf109's and Fw190's intercepted, two Spitfires being shot down; these were Gleed's and his wingman's."
The claims made by the LW were from Bars men.

Angus · « **Reply #125 on:** October 11, 2004, 10:21:27 AM »

Have some goodies for the BoB coming.
Found more data from the 16th of April 1943.
Source: Aces High by Christopher Shores.
That day saw the end of a RAF fighter ace, Ian Richard Gleed.
Here goes:
"On 16th of april he lead a raid in the Cap Bon area, hoping to intercept Axis transport aircraft. A large formation was seen and attacked, when escorting Bf109's and Fw190's intercepted, two Spitfires being shot down; these were Gleed's and his wingman's."
The claims made by the LW were from Bars men.

Crumpp · « **Reply #126 on:** October 11, 2004, 10:51:41 AM »

Angus Bro,

There were no FW-190 fighters in theater in April '43.

Heinz Bar was flying in I/JG77 and was using a Bf-109G at that time.

http://www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/2072/LWJul42.html#May43

http://www.luftwaffe-experten.com/pilots_day/H-Bar.html

Look under the I/JG77 Gruppenkommanduers for 1943.

http://ww2.dk/air/jagd/jg77.htm

It sounds like a case of mistaken identity. Would not be the first by any means.

Crumpp

Angus · « **Reply #127 on:** October 11, 2004, 12:31:51 PM »

Well, no 190 fighters, however 190's, that's the point.
And the claim was from a 109 Pilot as far as I know.
3 LW pilots claimed:
Heinz Bar, Heinz-Edgar Berres, and Ltn Ernst-Wilhelm Reinert.
Somewhere in the back of my head I thought Bar had been flying 190's, even in N-Africa, but I checked and it turned out to be 109's in that theater.

Oh, a piece from the BoB:
The British loss figures go between 900 and about 1500 aircraft in the period. Their crew loss was about 400.
The most common LW loss number I've come across is 1.733

Regards

Angus