Base taking strategy

[xHaMmeRx]

Originally posted by eta32

By the "almost vertical drop angle" are you referring to bombs or troops?
If troops... well I for one prefer to drop like this.. as it is quicker and puts the troops right on the map room with very little "run time" needed...
This ensures a quicker capture.  

Having jumped from C-130s many times, I can tell you that anything but level flight makes exiting the aircraft almost impossible and strings out your chalk over a much greater distance.

Putting troops out during a loop? No way.

[Traveler]

Drediock, Agflit22,

what are you guys somking? You may take a airfield but only if the opposition does not respond and musters 6 or 7 guys to up against you. If you only have 5 aircraft total, one is a goon, of the 4 left, how many attack and take out the Filde ack at the airfield? how many at the town? How many aircraft attack the town? while 6 nme aircraft try to up, who is doing what? Your numbers just don't add up.

[Elfie]

Originally posted by Raider179
Vh doesnt matter because towns are usually far away from the field.

VH DOES matter, it's not that far of a drive to any town in an M-16, and doesnt take that much longer to drive an ostie to town either. Also, its FAR easier to keep a base capped while waiting for drunks to show up if the field isnt covered in enemy gv's.

[Raider179]

I cant even count the # of bases captured with vh operational. It all depends on timing of the goon. M16s are easier kills for friendlys in the area and ostis are slow as pnzrs.

oh yeah keep a base capped, you really mean vulch. lol

[Elfie]

And if I'm not mistaken, YOU HAVE TO LAND TO "SCORE" THE CAPTURE. You can't land it, if your DEAD. Do you know how many times I've gotten the message "MAP ROOM DESTROYED", and got shot to hell before I could land.

As far as I know you dont have to land to score the capture, as soon as you get the message MAP ROOM DESTROYED you *score* the capture.

I read your post. You ask for goons to be protected. That is virtually impossible vs a determined goon hunter.

It definately takes more ordinance to capture a field in AH2 than it did in AH1, I still dont understand the mentality of killing all the fh's every single time though. I understand that in some situations it is desirable to kill the fh's. In most situations that isnt even needed.

IF there are enough fighters to keep the field capped AFTER it is deacked and the vh is down, why not leave the FH's up and have a serviceable field after the capture?

[Elfie]

Originally posted by Raider179
I cant even count the # of bases captured with vh operational. It all depends on timing of the goon. M16s are easier kills for friendlys in the area and ostis are slow as pnzrs.

oh yeah keep a base capped, you really mean vulch. lol

Call it what ya want. It's FAR easier to gun down a plane taking off than it is to kill multiple gv's pouring out of the vh. If for no other reason than that, the vh should be taken down FIRST.

 A good gunner in an M-16 can and will make attackers pay dearly. I remember taking down 7 enemy fighters as I raced from the vh to the town, then shot up 2 goons AT the town before fighter #8 got me. (I was in an M-16)

Killing the VH FIRST forces the enemy to use planes to defend their town. It also allows inbnd friendlies to use ordinance on the town instead of trying to clean up the gv's.

[flyingaround]

Originally posted by RobMo68
Lute,
I knew some IDIOT was gonna drag out the old stat sheet, and start in on the "you're too new to know what you're talking about", spiel. Didn't think it'd be you. So before you start in on some BS about your vast experience as a goon driver, READ MY POST AGAIN! And if you can't figure out why I flew straight into that target, well, your dumber than I thought you were.
And if I'm not mistaken, YOU HAVE TO LAND TO "SCORE" THE CAPTURE. You can't land it, if your DEAD. Do you know how many times I've gotten the message "MAP ROOM DESTROYED", and got shot to hell before I could land. Ask some of the "FB's" how many times I flown a goon for them, because no one else would do it, and only wanted to bore in, score and egress.
And if I wanted a lesson in tactics, I'll ask SHANE or one of the Trainers like Fuzeman or WideWing.
So use your head for something other than a hat rack, BEFORE you start slammin' me, enough said.

ROFL.  Wow.  so you DON'T wanna learn anything.  

FIRST off, I can't think of a single thing Fuzeman, WideWing, OR Shane can teach you that I am unable.  I spend (or try anyway) about an hour a day in the TA teaching/helping the new guys, (per the head Trainer Ghost, who asked me to) and am not quite sure where you are going with your line of argument.  

Secondly, it is your own fault you die.  Don't want to?  Then take some advice and learn.  Don't wanna learn?  Then quit complaining.

(p.s. had 'bout a page worth of a post going, but decided it was wasting my time)

[Elfie]

Originally posted by dedalos
How do you guys do it?  How do you see the ack?  I can't see it unless it is firing at me and I can shoot at the general direction of the tracer fired at me.  That requires me to line up with it with not exactly the desired results

Look for the circles on the field, the ack guns are dead center in those circles.

[RobMo68]

Originally posted by flyingaround
ROFL.  Wow.  so you DON'T wanna learn anything.  

FIRST off, I can't think of a single thing Fuzeman, WideWing, OR Shane can teach you that I am unable.  I spend (or try anyway) about an hour a day in the TA teaching/helping the new guys, (per the head Trainer Ghost, who asked me to) and am not quite sure where you are going with your line of argument.  

Secondly, it is your own fault you die.  Don't want to?  Then take some advice and learn.  Don't wanna learn?  Then quit complaining.

(p.s. had 'bout a page worth of a post going, but decided it was wasting my time)

Lute,
1st. I don't seek help from those that start out telling me how new or stupid I am. So, your not sure where I'm going with my line of argument (HERE'S YER SIGN), If I wanted your help, I would have asked for it .
2nd. You clearly can't see past the end of your nose to READ and COMPREHEND what I wrote, so leave well enough alone!

Elfie,
1st. I don't think so. The one CAPTURE that I was able to "score" ( as Lute not so politely pointed out ) as a capture, was one I was able to land at the field that I had just CAPTURED. The rest were either scored as ditches or deaths, because I was either shot down or ditched after being shot up. I got points for those other captures but they weren't scored as a capture.
2nd. The one capture that I was able to "score" I had an escort of 2 fighters all the way into the target (1 got 3 kills,1 got 1 on the way in), both were later shot down over the target. Without their help I would have been shot down before reaching the target, and would have been in for another long flight back to the target. So it's only vitually impossible, because no one wants to babysit (escort) the goon. As for the rest, as I pointed out, if you don't get the capture within the first wave, the success of the attack diminishes exponetially, if it doesn't fail all together.

[dedalos]

Originally posted by Elfie
Look for the circles on the field, the ack guns are dead center in those circles.

Thats what I do but can't telll if there is an ack there or not.  Not to mention that I have to be within 1k to 1.5k to even see the circles.

[DREDIOCK]

Originally posted by Traveler
Drediock, Agflit22,

what are you guys somking? You may take a airfield but only if the opposition does not respond and musters 6 or 7 guys to up against you. If you only have 5 aircraft total, one is a goon, of the 4 left, how many attack and take out the Filde ack at the airfield? how many at the town? How many aircraft attack the town? while 6 nme aircraft try to up, who is doing what? Your numbers just don't add up.

I didnt say 4-5, Ag did

I was referring to the 10 and what was needed to be destroyed for base capture

I agree  taking a base with only 4-5 while possible  would be very tough and everthing would have to be done perfectly and thus is very unlikely.

4-5 would have to be either  a quickstrike and snatch NOE run or hitting a virtually undefended base.(milkrun)
In the case of the former all your looking to take down is the town
everyone would have to be loaded to the gills and put their stuff exactly where it needs to be. and eveythign would have to be done VERY fast before the base could react in any serious manner.

It can be done but it would be very very tough and alot depends on everything going right, the first time and as you say if the enemy doesnt muster 6-7 guys.

[flyingaround]

Originally posted by RobMo68
Lute,
1st. I don't seek help from those that start out telling me how new or stupid I am. So, your not sure where I'm going with my line of argument (HERE'S YER SIGN), If I wanted your help, I would have asked for it .
2nd. You clearly can't see past the end of your nose to READ and COMPREHEND what I wrote, so leave well enough alone!

Not quite sure at what point I called you stupid.  Actually, I know I didn't.  I Re-read my post, and I called you new, and not wanting to learn anthing, BUT stupid wasn't in there.  Now you on the other hand, most def. called me an idiot.  Niiiiice.  I can overlook your whines re. dying in a goon due to your being so new, and still don't quite know HOW to stay alive.  You hurling insults, well, that's just plain sad.  (sniff)  For some reason you seem to think what you are saying is new, or special.  MOST all newbies say similar things.  Then they eventually listen to what they are told, or just learn it on their own, and it becomes a non issue.

Looking down my nose?   hmmm....  No,  I would humbly disagree and say it is more like 8-9yrs of doing this kinda thing (going back to AW here) and a solid 2yrs in AH, vs. your months, and seeing where you are "at" and trying (unsuccesfully i c) to get you "past" the plateu you have reached.

ROFL here's yer sign.  Hillbilly eh?  

You might not like the fact that your new, i'm not, I tried to help, you got argumentative/insulting, you seem to think i don't understand something you wrote, I've forgotten more re. this game than you will probably learn, so I guess we're at an impass.

I offered a solution to your "issue" re. dying so much.  You didn't like it, and wanted to blame others for your deaths.  Great.  Keep doing it.  Hope it works out.

[dedalos]

Originally posted by flyingaround
ROFL.  Wow.  so you DON'T wanna learn anything.  

FIRST off, I can't think of a single thing Fuzeman, WideWing, OR Shane can teach you that I am unable.  

That is absolutly not true.  There are a lot of things Shane can teach someone that you can't.  For example, he can teach you how not to when you die and how to shoot your mouth off when you fly 5k over someones head.

  Shane  

[Elfie]

Robmo, regardless of whether you die or land if YOUR troops make it into the maproom you get credit for the base capture. Not sure what else you are looking for.

As far as protecting goons goes, I cant count the number of times someone in a 51, 262, La-7 etc has dove in on a goon and no one was able to catch the goon hunter before he killed the goon. Flying the C-47 is a dangerous buisiness, C-47's are primary targets and people will die to kill one if it means saving their base.


I used *virtually impossible* because that leaves room for those rare times when you actually can protect a goon. Many. many vets of this game will tell you the same thing. Lute was dead on in his analysis of how to get a goon to a base. Your very best defense is to stay low and approach the enemy base from an unexpected direction. Having fighters near you to protect you also draws attention to you.

[RobMo68]

Originally posted by flyingaround
Not quite sure at what point I called you stupid.  Actually, I know I didn't.  I Re-read my post, and I called you new, and not wanting to learn anthing, BUT stupid wasn't in there.  Now you on the other hand, most def. called me an idiot.  Niiiiice.  I can overlook your whines re. dying in a goon due to your being so new, and still don't quite know HOW to stay alive.  You hurling insults, well, that's just plain sad.  (sniff)  For some reason you seem to think what you are saying is new, or special.  MOST all newbies say similar things.  Then they eventually listen to what they are told, or just learn it on their own, and it becomes a non issue.

Looking down my nose?   hmmm....  No,  I would humbly disagree and say it is more like 8-9yrs of doing this kinda thing (going back to AW here) and a solid 2yrs in AH, vs. your months, and seeing where you are "at" and trying (unsuccesfully i c) to get you "past" the plateu you have reached.

ROFL here's yer sign.  Hillbilly eh?  

You might not like the fact that your new, i'm not, I tried to help, you got argumentative/insulting, you seem to think i don't understand something you wrote, I've forgotten more re. this game than you will probably learn, so I guess we're at an impass.

I offered a solution to your "issue" re. dying so much.  You didn't like it, and wanted to blame others for your deaths.  Great.  Keep doing it.  Hope it works out.

Lute,
      I asked you to leave well enough alone, but you don't get it. When you say I'm NEW ( I read, STUPID NOOB ) you imply that I don't know a damn thing about tactics. Gonna ask you to leave well enough alone AGAIN.
OBTW, Shane could teach you a thing or two (Mr. 8-9 years experience, I've been doin sims for over 20years) if you would ask him too! I did, and he's willing to teach me. So don't presume that I'm not willing to learn, just don't want to learn from a self proclaimed, know it all, like you .