Author Topic: The Netherlands (Read 779 times)

Krusher · « **on:** November 15, 2004, 07:06:18 AM »

This is a pretty interesting article.

http://www.washtimes.com/commentary/20041114-103944-4700r.htm

Europe's largest mosque is in Rotterdam, which is also Europe's busiest port. Half the people there are of foreign origin. Unemployment among the Muslims is high. And the Dutch live-and-let-live permissiveness made this nation, a quarter of it below sea level and protected by 1,500 dikes, ideal breeding grounds for Muslim fundamentalism and the kind of extremism that spawned one of Osama bin Laden's European fan clubs. But for years the government was in denial about Islamist extremism in what is otherwise a well-managed society.

ra · « **Reply #1 on:** November 15, 2004, 07:10:23 AM »

Slightly OT, but I thought Muslims were migrating to Europe for the jobs. How come so many are unemployed?

Saintaw · « **Reply #2 on:** November 15, 2004, 08:15:33 AM »

The ones comming over have little or no academic education(*), so they go for the jobs that the locals won't do. Then, the locals complain that "they came to steal our jobs(tm)" ... get a good olde solid rise in racism al over western europe... voila!

(*): Not a 100%, but a majority.

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ra · « **Reply #3 on:** November 15, 2004, 08:24:26 AM »

If they do jobs Europeans "won't do", why are so many unemployed? And if they are not needed, why are they allowed in? Is is possible to question immigration policies without being racist?

Saintaw · « **Reply #4 on:** November 15, 2004, 08:38:05 AM »

Most of them came in the late 60's, when they were most welcome to come in and do the jobs we did not want to do. (Same goes with the south europeans before that, most of the mining towns were filled with Italians or Spanish). immigration IS a problem, a lot are still comming (and a lot die trying) comming on little boats through the Gibraltar straights, or through the turkish route.

Most of them are unemployed because all the older low wage jobs are now gone (mining, metalurgy, etc...) and the only jobs left out are fast food, trash hauling etc... we're not talking about industries of the same size as they were back then.

The same is bound to happen within the next 10 years with the easter european countries, I doubt they will ever be accepted as being part of the old europe.

lazs2 · « **Reply #5 on:** November 15, 2004, 09:36:20 AM »

heard the dutch were considering closing the borders.

lazs

Saintaw · « **Reply #6 on:** November 15, 2004, 09:46:27 AM »

There no longer are borders per se.

Seeker · « **Reply #7 on:** November 15, 2004, 10:15:14 AM »

It went like this:

60's and 70's: Import loads of "gast arbieters" to do the dirty industrial work

70's and 80's: The "gast arbeiters" begin to import the rest of their families at the same time the Euro's begin to shut down all the jobs they were imported to do.

80's to present: No "gast arbeiter" jobs left; the original poor old turk we imported has now bought over three generations of his family; and none of them can get jobs due the rise of racism in Europe. (Somehow; we never thought these people would actually settle nor have kids).

All made much worse by the blind post war policy of intergration instead of assimulation.

One area where the US _really_ beats Europe is assimulation: three generations and you're a yank. Over here; three generations and you're still a bloody foreigner. (In Denmark, at least; the phrase "third generation foreginer" has become part of every day language to describe some poor bugger born in Copenhagen with dark skin and a funny name...and they've registered all the Danish sounding names so the kids can't "cheat" on job applications by changing thier names).

It's an area where we have a lot to learn.

TheDudeDVant · « **Reply #8 on:** November 15, 2004, 01:48:41 PM »

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Originally posted by Saintaw
The ones comming over have little or no academic education(*), so they go for the jobs that the locals won't do. Then, the locals complain that "they came to steal our jobs(tm)" ... get a good olde solid rise in racism al over western europe... voila!

(*): Not a 100%, but a majority.

Edited for speeling

OMG! lmao

Yeager · « **Reply #9 on:** November 15, 2004, 01:59:53 PM »

you see the same thing I do? The coming genocide in europe will make hitlers assault on the jews look tame (and the ignant yuros cant even begin to see it, the shame).

BUG_EAF322 · « **Reply #10 on:** November 15, 2004, 02:33:30 PM »

Stupid media making it a farce
there are probably more muslims in the USA than in the netherlands.

I don't have a problem with them and those terrorist like in Den Haag had a american father and dutch mother.

Their american labilism made them muslim
and terrorist just like that walker type caught in afghanistan.

How about that us soldier muslim that threw some handgrenades in saudi arabia.

Or that sniper muslim in the USA all native americans that turned over to muslim .

Again nothin in the koran or bible tells u to murder people.

Its just extremism like for example happened in ireland where both christians killed eachother.

I tell u it's the media that thickens it all

Just stop the crap

Yeager · « **Reply #11 on:** November 15, 2004, 03:29:31 PM »

With God as my witness I do hereby proclaim that BUG_EAF322 has made bsb history be making complete and total sense!

I am in total agreement with BUG_EAF322, the media thickens it up!

Well said man! well said

Swoop · « **Reply #12 on:** November 15, 2004, 03:37:50 PM »

Yeah I gotta agree with Bug, when I lived in Holland it wasn't the Muslims I minded........it was the native Dutch that got on my nerves. Those damn cycle bells.......

Furball · « **Reply #13 on:** November 15, 2004, 03:41:13 PM »

Holland is an awesome country, love it. People are so friendly.

Swoop · « **Reply #14 on:** November 15, 2004, 03:41:58 PM »

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Originally posted by Furball
Holland is an awesome country, love it. People are so friendly.