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« Reply #60 on: December 02, 2004, 09:59:06 AM »
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Not sure I understand your point, Rude.   Are you suggesting that when Clinton was President, conservatives spent no time planning how to win back the White House?

I'm pretty sure its the nature of political parties who are 'out' of power to stratigize how to get 'in' power...


Very true....however, the reps with clinton stayed on message and focused on how best to improve the communication of it to the American public....the dems simply have no message or their message is unpallitable to most Americans.

It is this effort to "come up" with a belief for their party which will land them in the White House, that I find amusing.

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« Reply #61 on: December 02, 2004, 10:06:32 AM »
I don't  imagine the Dems will have to move towards the Right to attract votes; if they stay where they are voters will move back to the Left, once the voters get tired of seeing the flag draped coffins of our soldiers coming home.

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« Reply #62 on: December 02, 2004, 10:08:31 AM »
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First... show me where someone finds this billboard offensive, then I'll try to answer why so you can show me where there's a liberal whine.......    :confused:


There have been several sarcastic comments made here. Sarcasm usually comes from offense. To perceive offense where none was intended and respond with sarcasm is a whine imo. Since so much of this is subjective I acknowledge that not all will agree.
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« Reply #63 on: December 02, 2004, 10:10:57 AM »
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I don't  imagine the Dems will have to move towards the Right to attract votes; if they stay where they are voters will move back to the Left, once the voters get tired of seeing the flag draped coffins of our soldiers coming home.


The really sad thing is that many are pinning their hopes on this very thing. Don't get yer panties in a wad, I'm not pointing the finger.
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« Reply #64 on: December 02, 2004, 10:20:03 AM »
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I don't  imagine the Dems will have to move towards the Right to attract votes; if they stay where they are voters will move back to the Left, once the voters get tired of seeing the flag draped coffins of our soldiers coming home.


Could happen, however, this time the stakes are high....time will tell.

Of course, things might work out well....would that be a bad thing for the for our country or just for the left?

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« Reply #65 on: December 02, 2004, 10:50:07 AM »
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The really sad thing is that many are pinning their hopes on this very thing. Don't get yer panties in a wad, I'm not pointing the finger.


I wouldnt say many.. but certainly takes all kinds to make a world.. Personnally, I want all the killing to stop, not just our side. Whats the use in hoping for many US deaths? It is happening anyway.

I would think most patriots would be more concered about the hidden from America's eyes coffins returning almost daily. Does not seem to be the case on this board though.. You know, more worried about the fact of the matter rather than the matter of the fact..

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« Reply #66 on: December 02, 2004, 10:54:03 AM »
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Could happen, however, this time the stakes are high....time will tell.

Of course, things might work out well....would that be a bad thing for the for our country or just for the left?


Why are the stakes higher now than anytime before? Many died in Vietnam?

More of you attempted diversity.. I think 'war' is bad for our entire country.. right and left. good guys and bad guys..

In 1899 the US invaded the Phillipines because we wanted a foot hold in Pacific Asia.. 40,000 civilians were slaughtered by the same America military men that slaughtered the American Indian. Was that a bad thing for the left or right?

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« Reply #67 on: December 02, 2004, 12:20:17 PM »
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Why are the stakes higher now than anytime before? Many died in Vietnam?

More of you attempted diversity.. I think 'war' is bad for our entire country.. right and left. good guys and bad guys..

In 1899 the US invaded the Phillipines because we wanted a foot hold in Pacific Asia.. 40,000 civilians were slaughtered by the same America military men that slaughtered the American Indian. Was that a bad thing for the left or right?


The vietcong had no interest in killing Americans on American soil....Bin Laden said 4 million Americans must die, two million of those to be children...he has made vividly clear that they will attack us again and again.

You good with another 9/11 or worse?

War is never preferred nor is it to be taken lightly....our young dying is difficult and not easily tolerated by me....still, your prefferred method of diplomacy and inaction has brought us 9/11 and countless other attacks on American citizens, interests and capital.

What we now undertake in the Middle East is no different than what we undertook in the pacific against Japan....many similarities, from the suprise attack to them trying to force US influence out of the pacific so as to allow them to mandate their doctrine against innocents throughout the area.

One thing for certain....I want our boys home, sure....I want a future for my kids even moreso....it's time stand up as a nation against this threat, even if it means doing so without our so called friends in Europe.

Enough said...time to make money.

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« Reply #68 on: December 02, 2004, 12:27:43 PM »
First thing that came to my mind was the ein volk, ein fuhrer, etc. connection too.  I doubt the person in charge of producing this poster got good grades in history.

Nothing wrong with the poster, really, and I don't find it offensive, but still, the connection can easily be made.
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« Reply #69 on: December 02, 2004, 12:55:05 PM »
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The vietcong had no interest in killing Americans on American soil....Bin Laden said 4 million Americans must die, two million of those to be children...he has made vividly clear that they will attack us again and again.

You good with another 9/11 or worse?

War is never preferred nor is it to be taken lightly....our young dying is difficult and not easily tolerated by me....still, your prefferred method of diplomacy and inaction has brought us 9/11 and countless other attacks on American citizens, interests and capital.

What we now undertake in the Middle East is no different than what we undertook in the pacific against Japan....many similarities, from the suprise attack to them trying to force US influence out of the pacific so as to allow them to mandate their doctrine against innocents throughout the area.

One thing for certain....I want our boys home, sure....I want a future for my kids even moreso....it's time stand up as a nation against this threat, even if it means doing so without our so called friends in Europe.

Enough said...time to make money.


I hope you make all your due.

My diplomacy? Not mine.. Not mine at all.

Iraqi is a world away from Japan and ww2.. Have we forgotten who attacked us on 9/11?

Mandate their doctrine against innocents? 1899 Invasion of the Phillipines by America. I guess we were bringing democracy and not mandating doctrine? Iran-contras, again bringing democracy rebel style to overthrow an elected government instead of mandating doctrine? Iran in the 1950s was it? An elected government overthrown? Clearly bringing democracy once again.. Lets not forget  Guatemala. America invaded in the early 1950s and overthrew the freely elected president for the American produce company United Fruit.  I could go on..

Be clear Rude.. It is NOT.. let me repeat.. It is NOT America's inaction that brought us 9/11....

You want a future for your kids? Better take a closer look to what it is America is spreading around the world..
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« Reply #70 on: December 02, 2004, 03:42:51 PM »
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It should say "The Great Leader"


Strangely....

Christian Scinece Monitor
December 01, 2004 edition

Shifting signs in North Korea

Kim Jong Il dials back personality cult as protest activities pick up.

By Jasper Becker | Correspondent of The Christian Science Monitor

BEIJING – Years can drift by between press conferences in Pyongyang. But recently the tiny resident press corps, namely the ITAR-Tass correspondent Stanislav Varivoda and two Chinese journalists, were summoned to hear Mr. Varivoda's story refuted.

He reported last month that portraits of North Korean leader Kim Jong Il had disappeared from key public buildings. Further, the media had stopped using the honorific "Dear Leader" in official bulletins.

"There's not normally much to do here but this has caused a storm," Varivoda said in a phone interview from Pyongyang. "At the press conference they said nothing I reported is true."

Small signs often portend big changes in closed societies, especially in the secretive court of North Korea's Kim dynasty. Observers are wondering if this is just another mad whim from the palace - like the edicts forbidding women to wear red trousers or to eat hamburgers. Or if, after 3 million deaths from starvation on his watch, Kim Jong Il's star many finally be falling - something suggested by numerous North Korean refugees in recent interviews.

Resident diplomats see nothing unusual in the country but confirm the portraits are gone in a few places. The 62-year-old Kim continues to be addressed with more than a thousand honorifics such as "The Lodestar of the 21st Century" and "Guardian of Our Planet."

Varivodo thinks that Kim Jong Il realizes that foreigners find the personality cult absurd and so has had the portraits taken down at places where foreign delegations are received.

"They want to avoid the negative reactions and stupid questions about the personality cult," he says. "They know foreigners find it odd, but really there has been no other change to the personality cult here."

No one is sure what Kim is up to. The Sunday Times of London says Kim has gone into seclusion, depressed by the reelection of President Bush and the death of his favorite mistress.

Top Kiminologists like Japan's Kosuke Takahashi say he is downplaying his personality in order to court younger South Koreans. Ruediger Frank, professor of East Asian Political Economy at the University of Vienna, sees this as a preparation for succession and an eventual collective leadership.

A third expert, veteran journalist Bradley K. Martin who has just published "Under the Loving Case of the Father: North Korea under the Kim Dynasty," portrays it as a response to domestic pressures. Ordinary people are starting to object to the cult as they learn more about the outside world, he contends.


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« Reply #71 on: December 02, 2004, 05:22:03 PM »
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I hope you make all your due.

My diplomacy? Not mine.. Not mine at all.

Iraqi is a world away from Japan and ww2.. Have we forgotten who attacked us on 9/11?



Damm good point.  DAMM good point.

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« Reply #72 on: December 02, 2004, 05:34:51 PM »
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...Bin Laden said 4 million Americans must die, two million of those to be children...he has made vividly clear that they will attack us again and again.


Bin Laden is Afghanistan or Pakistan, right, not Iraq?   Additionally the 9/11 Commission's findings found no significant connection between Iraq and 9/11, correct?

$200 billion and counting, Bin Laden is still free.    150,000 troops in Iraq, how many in Afghanistan?  Maybe 10,000?

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« Reply #73 on: December 02, 2004, 06:51:03 PM »
Maybe Rude knows where Bin Laden is and that's why US troops are in Iraq... errr... sorry it was for those WMDs... errr... That won't work...
Well time to pull out " Spreading Democracy" card!

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« Reply #74 on: December 02, 2004, 09:58:04 PM »
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Maybe Rude knows where Bin Laden is and that's why US troops are in Iraq... errr... sorry it was for those WMDs... errr... That won't work...
Well time to pull out " Spreading Democracy" card!

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Maybe Rude is just one of the majority of Americans who reelected GWB President, too. Maybe he believes we can spread a better way of life, through democracy, abroad- he may be right, or he may be wrong- but he voted with the majority because GWB's vision of what America should stand for was better than what Kerry's vision of what America should stand for.

I hope he's right, actually.