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« Reply #945 on: December 28, 2004, 12:41:49 AM »
God bless us all, and Tiny Tim too Nuke.

Imagine if I actually had a dead sister and a PETA BBS troll fetish, I'd really be a bastard.

My sister is a teacher in Milwaukee, isn't dead I don't think, but she is so religious I wonder. You AH carps are fun to net and throw in the weeds. The PETA crowd is lame. You retards are small game, but fun to bait and leave on the bank. And you bite harder.


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« Reply #946 on: December 28, 2004, 12:47:11 AM »
wow, you really got me there. I'm a pretty compassionate person, so I don't hesitate to take the high road when someone relates a personal hardship or loss.

I hope you don't really have to suffer that kind of loss.

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« Reply #947 on: December 28, 2004, 08:34:36 AM »
Growing up in Alaska, bush-pilot legend Don Sheldon was one of my heros.  The dude straffed wolves.



"ONE OF THE PICTURES SHOWS THE AUTOMATIC SHOTGUN RIG AND RECOIL ASSEMBLY. THIS IS A VERY PROFITABLE VENTURE.  DON SHELDON IN TALKEETNA HAS THE FIRST AERIAL, REMOTE-FIRING, SHOTGUN RIG AND HAS HAD CONSIDERABLE SUCCESS WITH IT.  THE BOUNTY IS $50 PER WOLF AND THEY TELL ME IT'S NO BIG JOB TO CLOBBER 20 A DAY WHEN THE WOLF PACK IS RUNNING.  THE GUNS HOLD 10 ROUNDS EACH PR A TOTAL OF 40 ROUNDS.  BORE-SIGHTED IN FOR 40 YARDS, ONE SHOT (NO. 0 OR 2 BUCKSHOT) WILL REALLY UP-END THE LARGEST ONE IN THE COUNTRY.  JUST MAKE YOUR APPROACH AT ABOUT 50 FEET HIGH,HALF FLAPS, LINE UP THE TWO SIGHTS.  WHEN THE WOLF FILLS THE FRONT SIGHT, JUST SQUEEZE THE TRIGGER."

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« Reply #948 on: December 28, 2004, 08:47:29 AM »
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My first 2 posts and I get banned and my posts removed.  WTF...I sent an email back kissing some serious ass, hopefully that will work.  I said I was trying to make a point  while still being humorous.

Damn liberal hippies...I hate hippies.

Jolly:o :o :o


You dweeb, you got me banned too.  They left me alone until you replied to my post.  What a lamer.  It's all your fault.



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« Reply #949 on: December 28, 2004, 09:25:39 AM »
More on Don Sheldon:

AVSIM Special Feature

Don Sheldon – A bush pilot's pilot!
 
 
by Steve "Bearracing" Cartwright
November 10, 2002
 

Born in Mt. Morrison, Colorado in 1921, Donald Edward Sheldon lived at time of American innocence, when the American West still held onto some of its mysteries. Bush flying, such as it was, had only began the year before in Canada and Alaska (an American Territory purchased from the Russians) and it was only a few years into the great Gold Rush of the Yukon and Nome. Though born in Colorado, Don Sheldon grew up in the wilds of Wyoming, on a ranch near the small town of Lander. Lander is situated a short distance from "South Pass" where the wagon trains of barely 75 years before had crossed the Rockies, heading toward the gold fields of California or the fertile valleys of Oregon.

At the age of 17, Don made his way out to Seattle, and then up to Anchorage by way of the inland passage on a passenger ship. Don's first job in Anchorage was at the Step and a Half Dairy where he worked 16 hour a day shifts, 7 days a week, for which he earned a flat $40 per month. After six weeks of this, Don was driving a dairy delivery truck down an Anchorage street one morning when he spotted a sailor friend, Jim Cook, that he had met in Juneau on his boat trip up to Anchorage.

Don and his re-found friend decided to pool their money and see how far north they could get. The $12 they had between them paid for 2 one-way train tickets to Talkeetna, AK, where 10 years later, Don Sheldon, with partner Stub Morrison would form the Talkeetna Air Service.

The Talkeetna Air Service struggled for several years to earn profits, but it seemed that Don and his partner Stub would succeed where many others had failed. It was the years of 1950 and 1951 that would really test the young Sheldon, for he would crash and destroy and aircraft in 1950 and then his partner, Stub Morrison, would be killed in a crash caused by the sudden appearance of radiation fog in 1951.

Don's business sense was good though and it was a rare month that didn't have every single day scheduled for one paying flight or two. It wasn't only Don's flying skills that became apart of legend, but it was his strong sense of knowing which jobs to take and which to turn down that led him to a success in this very demanding business, where four out of five people failed.

It was in 1955 that Don met the head of the surveying team from the Boston Museum of Science, Bradford Washburn. Washburn was looking for a suitable pilot (with plane) to assist at the museum's long term survey and mapping of the area surrounding Mt. McKinley and the mountain itself. Don had just recently installed only the second set of retractable skis ever built to one of his SuperCubs, and this intrigued Washburn, because their survey/mapping work would require landing at very high altitudes on the upper glaciers of Mt. McKinley and its neighboring peaks. (Brad Washburn admitted later that after he had inquired, both in Fairbanks and Anchorage, on hiring a bush pilot for the work they needed to do, the name Don Sheldon came up almost every time.) When Washburn offered Don the fee of $100 for each glacier landing, Don jumped at the offer, but on the second day and after Don had made eight separate landings on one glacier (moving equipment and men), Brad Washburn suggested that maybe paying $100 for each landing would soon run the Museum out of money. They settled on the normal Talkeetna Air Service charter fee of $25 per hour, plus a $50 bonus for each new area landing.

This charter and the relationship between Don and Brad Washburn would continue for the next 15 years and Don Sheldon would become one of the world's most proficient pilots at landing on glaciers. Bob Reeve (founder of Reeve Aleutian Airways) was the first to attempt and perfect the art of glacier landing (in the early 1930s), with his Fairchild 71, which was outfitted with a pair of homemade skis. Because Bob's homemade skies were non-retractable, he couldn't land his Fairchild on any hard surface, so Bob landed on the mud bogs near his base in Valdez.

Over the years, Bob had related all that he had learned at glacier landing to Don, but Don improved on the necessary techniques even further during the 15 years he flew for Brad Washburn (Don and Bob Reeve's relationship went beyond friends, as Don's wife was Bob Reeve's daughter, Roberta). Before you can attempt to land on a glacier, you must first make a low pass to look for depressions in the soft snow, as these depressions can be masking a crevasse which could easily swallow up a freight train, not to mention a little Piper SuperCub. Another problem often encountered is when there is a slight cloud cover that blends in with the surface of the soft snow in daylight. The human eye cannot distinguish where the surface of the glacier is and landings are all but impossible in these conditions. Don Sheldon always carried several small Spruce tree limbs that he would throw out in a line, which would provide a noticeable dark line of points to mark the glacier surface elevation.

During the later part of the 1950s and into the '60s Don flew countless trips, most often simply moving supplies, equipment, and people; but occasionally Don mounted a rescue of a fallen mountain climber or hiker and there were times he alone attempted searches for the military of downed aircraft. Don's first experience at assisting the military came on particularly bad weather day in 1953 (February 4th), when the Tenth Rescue US Air Force in Anchorage had received an urgent radio call from a C-47, inbound to Anchorage, that was in extremely bad turbulence and was receiving structural damage and icing. The last radio contact the with C-47 put them about 70 miles north of Talkeena, so Don volunteered to fly up and take a look. Because a strong winter weather front was moving through, Don experienced very poor visibility, freezing rain, and extremely severe turbulence. Because of the poor visibility (often less than 200 yards), Don flew extremely low up the Susitna River and twice he had to land on a sand bar to wait for a moment of clearing to continue. About 60 miles up the Susitna, Don got a momentary break in the clouds that allowed him to fly up to 5,000 feet and along the side of a mountain slope that Don calculated would be the most likely place for a downed aircraft working its way south. Though Don failed to locate the aircraft, he did notice some tracks in the snow that weren't consistent with Caribou, which were abundant in this area.

Don's fuel status was getting serious and then the weather closed back in, so Don had to go back to Talkeena. The weather got very severe, so he waited it out, back home, all that day and into the next, when finally at about noon on the 5th, he took another shot at it and this time he hit pay dirt. He found those tracks again and then he found two survivors dragging an injured third. Don wrote a note on a brown paper bag, tossed a couple rocks into the bag (Don always carried small rocks for this exact purpose) and tied a red ribbon to the bag. He flew over the survivors and tossed the bag down to them, explaining that he was going back to Talkeetna to pick up a USAF Flight Surgeon and some supplies (warm blankets, hot coffee, food, etc.) and would return. Don had also spotted a small clearing about 1,500 feet down slope from these guys (where he felt he could land), so he told them to head for it.

Once returning from Talkeetna, with a load of supplies and the Flight Surgeon, it was learned that these three crew members had been sucked out of the back of the C-47 when its tail broke off. Two of them got their chutes open in time, but the third crew member's chute opened just as he hit the ground and he had suffered a serious laceration from his neck all the way down his back to the top of his ankle. It was about then that these fellows asked Don if he was flying the plane they had heard the day before, and Don told them "...yeah that was probably me!" All three of the survivors then told Don that they had spotted three or four dogs right after they had heard his plane and they were kind of curious if those dogs had been dropped off by him, but Don told them that if they had seen any dogs up here, then they had seen wolves, because the only thing even close to looking like a dog in that area were wolves and most likely hungry wolves at that!

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« Reply #950 on: December 28, 2004, 09:26:24 AM »
The C-47 had completely broken up in midair at 12,000 feet, so when the wreckage of the aircraft was finally located, a couple of days later, three more survivors were found, but ten of the sixteen man crew had perished. Among those that had died was one British Colonel that was a director of the Canadian Cold Weather Test program and was an extreme weather survival specialist. The Colonel had safely parachuted down, but had died from exposure in the cold Alaska winter. Don received—what would be the first of many—a citation from the US Air Force for his efforts in this search and ultimate rescue of the survivors of this downed C-47.

Most often though, Don's flights were less extreme, like the times when Don would be delivering supplies (from a case of dynamite to a case of Jack Daniels) and there were no places to set his SuperCub down, so Don would fly very low and throw the items out and more times than not Don's aim was very good, but there were times when he missed too. There are more than one miner's shack with a hole in the roof from one of Don's missed drops. There were other times that the people on the ground were their own worst enemy when it came to Don's aerial drops, like the time that Don dropped a 20 pound metal canister of special film (with a 10 foot long colored streamer attached, so that the film canister could be found if it should sink into the snow or mud). The scientist that was waiting for the film apparently didn't understand that a 20 pound metal canister can build up a lot of speed, especially when dropped from a passing aircraft, and the scientist, much to Don's dismay, actually attempted to catch it. Fortunately the canister slipped through the man's hands, then buried itself three feet deep in the snow and mud between the scientist's feet!

Over the years, Don Sheldon distinguished himself for his uncanny skills at flying his bush planes and the stories of his lifesaving flights are too numerous to list here, but Don maintained an extraordinary understanding of aerodynamics—and this combined with a complete understanding of meteorology and the topography of Mt McKinley and the surrounding areas—made for a unique individual among many unique individuals. Many trapped mountain climbers, hikers, or survivors of downed aircraft released a sigh of relief when they heard the sputter of Don Sheldon's SuperCub overhead. Just when everyone said no one could get through, that's when Don Sheldon would appear in his Piper SuperCub.

Don Sheldon never thought of himself as a hero, as he felt that he merely understood how to profit at operating a charter air service in the wilderness of the Alaskan interior, nothing more. Considering all of the near death close calls and crashes he survived, it seems unfitting a man, such as Don Sheldon, to have succumbed to cancer at the early age of 52, in 1974. Don Sheldon was a father and husband and he was truly an American hero, but above all he was a bush pilot's pilot!

— Steve (Bear) Cartwright


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P.S. To read more about Don Sheldon and his life story, I highly recommend you purchase and read "Wager With the Wind; The Don Sheldon Story" by James Greiner, as this is one of finest books you'll find covering the true-life experiences of an Alaskan bush flying pioneer and true American hero. This book is available at either amazon.com or Barnes & Noble (barnesandnoble.com).

Don Sheldon was also featured in a February, 1972 Sports Illustrated story titled "Off into the Wild White Wonder," by Cole Phinizy.

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« Reply #951 on: December 28, 2004, 10:08:12 AM »
Creamo is my hero. He lies about dead family. Cool dude in my book. :rolleyes:
Too bad it nullifies any shread of creditability he had and nullifies anything he says.
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« Reply #952 on: December 28, 2004, 10:25:52 AM »
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wow, you really got me there. I'm a pretty compassionate person


Kinda like the PETA message board members are about animals? See how clever this whole thing is?

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« Reply #953 on: December 28, 2004, 10:31:51 AM »
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Kinda like the PETA message board members are about animals? See how clever this whole thing is?


Nailed it.

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« Reply #954 on: December 28, 2004, 10:53:24 AM »
lol...didn't mean to get you banned...must have been the reference to behavior modification like in Clockwork Orange".

sorry shub...i'm getting a yahoo address and gonna hit em again.

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« Reply #955 on: December 28, 2004, 11:59:23 AM »
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Kinda like the PETA message board members are about animals? See how clever this whole thing is?


You’re a bunny hugger, aren’t you Creamo?

The difference is that these PETA dorks are beyond compassionate, they place animals on par with humans.  Post a thread: “Death toll in Asia drops to 33,000 people, 21,000 dog, 16,000 cats and 17,000 rabbits.”  You know what the responses will be?  “Awe, the poor bunnies!  How can we help the poor bunnies?”  Except it will sound more pathetic and smarmy.

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« Reply #956 on: December 28, 2004, 04:59:19 PM »
Eskimo,

nice read, thanks for posting it. :)

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« Reply #957 on: December 28, 2004, 05:45:57 PM »
thast a hi jak..i think it breask rule # 24


lol..

I dont see 4- 12 guages..and WTF!!!! how the hell does he hit wolves with a 12g?!!!!!!!! 40 yds!!??


dam...that is kikazz

I guess when i was ductaping the mini14s to the c152 i wasnt that out of the world

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« Reply #958 on: December 28, 2004, 06:18:28 PM »
It’s kind of a hijack.  But it was prompted by the anti aerial wolf hunting thread: http://216.197.111.89/public/folder...52&folderid=727 .  I think that if these bleeding heart PETA dorks saw how cool Don Sheldon’s gun rig was, they might be a little more OK about aerial wolf hunting.  In searching for an online picture of it, I found the above article.  

Anyway, I think HTC should make a new game: Don Sheldon’s Great Alaska Wolf Hunt.  You’d get to buzz around The Last Frontier in a little 4 shotgun armed bush plane and search for wolf packs.  Like the article says you’d get $50 bucks for every wolf pelt; the goal would be to earn as much money as possible.  You’d have to land to skin and collect your pelts and rearm after 10 shots.  Bust up your plane in a bad landing, and the repair costs come out of your earnings.  For fun it would also have bear, moose, caribou, flocks of geese, etc.  

Hitech, I want this game!

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« Reply #959 on: December 28, 2004, 06:25:34 PM »
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I don’t see all four guns either, but you can see (through the windows) the gun mounted on the other wing.  I have seen the guns and rigging in real life though.  They are in the Talkeetna (Alaska) museum; my memory of them prompted me to search for a picture when I saw the thread link.



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