how can we imprison people without evidence?

[Gunslinger]

wow krusher....I'm heart broken to hear about all the abuse and suffering that family has had to go through.  This is yet another example of the big bad evil America going after arabs just because of their race.  They have absolutly no reason to imprison these people at all.  If they wish to blow up school buses and cafes or help with the planning in a hostage taking involving lots of kids by all means the US constitution should protect them even though they fight against it and do not hold a citizinship for it.

[wombatt]

Gunslinger the part I don't understand Is how or why Canada is even allowing them there in the first place knowing there history?

[Gunslinger]

Originally posted by wombatt
Gunslinger the part I don't understand Is how or why Canada is even allowing them there in the first place knowing there history?

Canada's lucky we let them exist on the same continent as us   <-----notice the  

Not sure.  

Brother Abdurahman is back living in Toronto after having been released from Guantanamo Bay and claims to have worked for U.S. intelligence agencies.

if this is true maybe the US hooked him up through diplomatic means.

[Thrawn]

Originally posted by wombatt
Gunslinger the part I don't understand Is how or why Canada is even allowing them there in the first place knowing there history?

Because our politicians and most of our bureaucrats are a bunch of ****ing moron *******s.


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[wombatt]

Originally posted by Thrawn
Because our politicians and most of our bureaucrats are a bunch of ****ing moron *******s.


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Sad but true:(

[Suave]

If they're international criminals they should be treated as such.

If they are POWs they should be treated as such.

Are there any detained there who have not been charged with any crime?

[Suave]

In case you've been living in a cave and haven't seen this documentary yet.

http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/shows/khadr/view/

[Yeager]

what the government is doing is aggressive, and dangerous.

In this age of portable nuclear weapons and islamo-facist suicide bombers I agree with the direction the government is taking.  Throw a wide wide net and make the bad guy extinct.  I accept purely and cleanly that some innocents will be trapped in the net.  Thats war and thats what 9/11 brought to my core level of understanding.

If your standing next to a AQ bastard, whether by accident or design, your loss will be a harsh but neccessary reality.

[milnko]

Originally posted by Gunslinger
most of the time they are the same, foreigners and terrorists but not allways.  BUT, to say they have NO rights is extreme.  These terrorists were captured (and I'm speaking in general as in most of them) on a battlefield fighing US forces and not representing any particular country......they are criminals.  Now in most cases they WOULD have some judicial rights but seeing as they are not US citizens they should NOT be afforded OUR rights.  In most cases they are reciving far better treatment then if they were captured by other countrys.  

to say they have NO rights is dumb.....to say they should be afforded the same rights as a US citizen is extreme.

WE hold these Truths to be self-evident, that all Men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights.....

If the terrorists are held by the US then our laws MUST apply to them, for if we deny them our legal system we undermine our own rights in respect to fair and timely trials, with adequate legal representation.

The Constitution and Bill of Rights must be obeyed by it's own people or else it's ideals become meaningless.

So if we wish to circumnavigate our own legal system, we should turn them over to UK and let them run the terrorists through their judicial system.

[Saintaw]

Originally posted by Gunslinger
most of the time they are the same, foreigners and terrorists but not allways

Uh? So... I guess that makes ME a terrorist? I didn't know it, but thanks for telling me... now, where did I put that "terrorist's cookbook" again?...

[Heater]

Have an idea (it happens every now and then)

Put a big fence around Norway and send them all there.

[genozaur]

Originally posted by Hooligan
If I am not mistaken, these guys were picked up in either Afghanastan or Iraq.  They were not wearing military uniforms so under the Geneva convention they can be shot.  

Hooligan

As far as I remember the Geneva convention, the enemy combatants are considered as such just by the evidence of organized command chain in their ranks even if they carry no ensignia whatsoever.

[genozaur]

Originally posted by moose
just read this off of google news and it amazed me --

http://www.reuters.com/newsArticle.jhtml?type=topNews&storyID=7217367

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if we don't have evidence to support a trial then how can we hold them?

can someone explain this to me?

Comrades Stalin and Khrushchev held German POWs in the labor camps till 1955 when the Presidium of the Supreme Council of the USSR unilaterally issued a decree on the ceasing of the state of war between the USSR and Germany (the peace treaty was never concluded between these two countries following the "dividi et empera" Cold War strategy  of the chief NATO members). So the German survivors of GULAG were sent back to their Vaterland, though formally the state of war beetween the USSR and Germany ceased to exist only on the August 31, 1994 when the last units of the Russian occupation forces were withdrawn from the Bundesrepublik of Germany.
I guess that when the USA sign peace treaties with Afganistan and Iraq, the POWs from these countries will be eligible for release, unless some or all of them are tried and convicted of war crimes. The fate of Saudis and others is less certain.  

So it looks like the USA is preparing to make one step ahead of the above-mentioned Soviet leaders.

[lada]

Originally posted by Gunslinger
most of the time they are the same, foreigners and terrorists but not allways.

LOL .... so...  are foreigners most of the time terrorists or not always ?  

Originally posted by Gunslinger

 BUT, to say they have NO rights is extreme.  These terrorists were captured (and I'm speaking in general as in most of them) on a battlefield fighing US forces and not representing any particular country......they are criminals.  Now in most cases they WOULD have some judicial rights but seeing as they are not US citizens they should NOT be afforded OUR rights.  

ummm actualy what gives you right or duty to judge people who doesnt belong to any other national army and fighting with agressor, who attacked them at their home land ?

Originally posted by Gunslinger

In most cases they are reciving far better treatment then if they were captured by other countrys.  

may be you can name me some other countrieS, whitch are doing the same...... or  even worster things with the people who fought agains them while they were occupied

[rshubert]

Originally posted by lada
Man. im trying to imagine...... some group of  Pakistanian dweebs will raid some US company in afghanistan, imprisment people and simply claim, that they are terrorist. Later on, they will shot them in name of terrorism [ may be God is better].

Can you imagine reaction of american citizens at home ?

Im just wondering, how many young people around the world did join some "terrorist" organization because of sutch politic.

Congratulations, you have just described the main modus operandi of the terrorist organizations we are fighting.  You know, bust into a house, kidnap the occupants, then execute them for the "crime" of being in the wrong place at the wrong time.

The difference in what the US is doing is that we are at least TRYING to catch the guilty parties.