Author Topic: Flying at 20k (Read 4333 times)

Canaris · « **Reply #30 on:** January 06, 2005, 07:24:22 PM »

I agree that if the fight is mostly low, their should be the need for people to still fly at 20k. The only time I get up to 20k or more is if there are people that high and I will go up to engage them. Most of the time I fly around 10k above the land which seems fine. I will go up to no more than 15k on rare occasions and if im in a 262. Other than that I see no need to go high, especially my 38 cant dive compared to other planes.

Canaris

streetstang · « **Reply #31 on:** January 06, 2005, 07:28:53 PM »

Jackal1 · « **Reply #32 on:** January 06, 2005, 07:35:44 PM »

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Originally posted by jamusta
Shubie sometimes you just dont get it man

ROFL Jam, I believe that is the kindest, most generous comment possible.
The term understatement would be .......well an understatement.

Cobra412 · « **Reply #33 on:** January 06, 2005, 10:17:27 PM »

I always flew at optimum altitudes for not only my planes performance but also the current situation in the area. Does that mean I'm always a "astronaut" as some of you seem to think that all folks are above 10k, no. I fly in with an altitude that suits the current conditions.

It's a rather funny thing considering folks will complain if you BnZ and they will complain if you don't turn with them when there's multiple others around or folks inbound that could be potential threats fairly quickly. So really what does that leave? Leaves only fighting their way and your a panzy because you won't turn with all their buds there or when their fairly close and headed your way.

If it's a 1 on 1 or even 2 on 1 ( with atleast a decent possibility of surviving) then yes I'll go to the deck and I'll fight against anything. It seems more often than not though when I do engage a low bird they will try their best to stay away long enough till a buddy can come jump in the fight. The second their low and fast buddy comes in they'll actually start to be aggressive.

With this in mind why should anyone fly how you folks want them to? You don't want folks at 20K but when at low alts alot of you also don't want to fight aggressively unless you've got an extreme advantage and will play avoidance tactics until a friendly comes to help? Seems like the pot calling the kettle black if you asked me.

TequilaChaser · « **Reply #34 on:** January 06, 2005, 11:18:20 PM »

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Originally posted by Cobra412

With this in mind why should anyone fly how you folks want them to? You don't want folks at 20K but when at low alts alot of you also don't want to fight aggressively unless you've got an extreme advantage and will play avoidance tactics until a friendly comes to help? Seems like the pot calling the kettle black if you asked me.

Cobra, do NOT take this the wrong way, please!

but outside of Clifra, Angus, rshubert ( because I am uncertian of their game play style), the rest here in this thread could give a care about having the advantage, being outnumbered and welcome the fight even if it was 4 on 1, now 5,6 or 7 on 1 yeah maybe that would be a little over the top but we would all probably stay and fight it to the death and never say a word when we finally get shot down in the game..... so I was wondering if you was refering to people in the game ingenral or in this thread?

Zaphod · « **Reply #35 on:** January 07, 2005, 12:58:01 AM »

Having done my fair share of flying quite high in a mustang I will say this. To me flying very high in a mustang is as fun as flying low in a spitfire (I have been messing around with flying a spit at no more than 5k lately). The only downside is the long climb to alt.

The mustang really shines above 20k. I'll turn with about anything up there since I have all the air under me to use for e management. It also makes quite a bit of power relative to many of the "good turning" rides at that alt. It's also a bit difficult to run from. If they dive to the deck so be it. I can either let em go and work on their friends who show up to help, or I'll just dive with them. If I get ganged so what, how else am I gonna learn to fly and fight.

Really nothing better than a high alt stall fight, its much different than fighting on the deck.

Zaphod

Dead Man Flying · « **Reply #36 on:** January 07, 2005, 01:00:52 AM »

Out of boredom tonight, I grabbed to 20k while angling to intercept an enemy dar contact that was headed to our base.

It turns it out it was a C-47. At 20k. You guys aren't kidding about people flying higher these days.

-- Todd/Leviathn

Cobra412 · « **Reply #37 on:** January 07, 2005, 01:05:21 AM »

TC in general. When it's a 1 on 1 people should fight no questions asked. That doesn't necessarily mean try to turn fight a turnfighter if your in a bnzer or the other way around. You fight your fight. That also doesn't mean you have to or should be timid as hell when doing so. Fight the intelligent fight I guess but try to be aggressive.

It just seems to me you have all these folks complain about the high flyers and you have the ones who complain about tree huggers. What I find funny is there is a happy medium between the two. That 10 to 15k window is where you'd think you see a majority of the fights. Not saying eveyone should fly that high or that low. Reason being is your going to have the high flyers and the tree huggers no matter where you go.

I'm more annoyed when you have those folks who fly at alt or on the deck and run when it's an even matchup. Or as I said previously when you have those folks who will purposely be timid and avoid a confrontation until a buddy comes in an even fight. I've seen this so much lately. LA7s running from my mustang both on the deck and at alt. 109s and 190s doing the same thing. I could probably list a ton of birds that are considered an equal matchup that run.

What's even more annoying is when a person flies a particular bird and gets his/her arse spanked in it even though he/she has an advantage in most areas but because they lost they go grab some other bird because they can't fly what they were in in the first place. They'll jump to what some would consider a no talent bird and come back spraying away. Majority of the time they'll be in an equal bird then come running back in an LA7, Hurri, Spitfire, or N1K. When I get hammered in my Mustang I don't go running to another bird. I come right back in what I was in originally and try again with a new approach. People here take the easy way out constantly instead of making an effort to try.

humble · « **Reply #38 on:** January 07, 2005, 07:43:35 AM »

hehe....

Once again the Ki-61 is the answer....no doubt it'll be around as long as you decide to stay (less of course you kill it)...or are in a hurricane zeke or other gerbil driven ride (The Ki has twin gerbil drive:))....

humble · « **Reply #39 on:** January 07, 2005, 07:48:31 AM »

When I get hammered in my Mustang I don't go running to another bird. I come right back in what I was in originally and try again with a new approach. People here take the easy way out constantly instead of making an effort to try

Hmmmm.....

And what would you grab as an upgrade...a tempest?

Your an outstanding stick and a great fight (the few times we've tangled) but your also flying the best "Combo" ride in the game. With the exception of the la-7 below 7k and the P-47 over 30k you have an exploitable edge across the board. You do however fly a mean P47-40 as well:aok ...

TexMurphy · « **Reply #40 on:** January 07, 2005, 08:15:49 AM »

A reason that people dont know how to fight at high alt is that the fights are always down low.

If you look at the pilots who come in at 15k they (and Im of them) are almost always down by the deck within the first 3-4 min of the fight. Reason to this is that thats where the furball is. As you start fighting and you drain E you will eventually end up near the deck. Nothing wrong with this.

Thing is though that this makes pilots more skilled in low level fights. Hence making them dive out of the uncomfy situation even earlier. Which in turn prevents them from learning to fight at higher alts.

I know I suck at high alt fights and yeah I do dive down to where I can get help if things turn uggly (I screw up or more enemies come in at my alt). But imho the best fights during a furball is around 10-15k. Because there you find much smaller number of targets and you dont have to worry about the cherry picking lala´s.

The quality of fights at high alt would be higher if people learned to fight at higher alts, yes. I dont see people learning this because the safe route to the deck is always there and they pull that card very fast and usually the people in the 10-15k bracket are very good pilots. Since the avg pilot cant handle the 15k fights they will rather go low then up to 20k. This means even less fights at 20k then 15k and hence even fewer who can handle it.

Imho fighting at high alt isnt booring. Climbing there to find that fight aint booring. Whats booring about very high alt is that its just a staging point for the engagment and a preparation to drop like a stone.

Tex.

rshubert · « **Reply #41 on:** January 07, 2005, 08:21:22 AM »

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Originally posted by jamusta
Some people never will get it. I give up!!!!!

Don't give up...there's hope that someday you might get it, yet.

TequilaChaser · « **Reply #42 on:** January 07, 2005, 09:17:32 AM »

Well for one to learn how to fight at higher alts, especially over 15K+ is to understand you have to use lower G pulling maneuvers, and take wider turns, those that do not know this are the ones that end up on the deck in under a few minutes.....also one needs to consider managing their E when up in the thin air........if you try to pull hard and do quick reversals like on the deck you will bleed worser than a stuck pig and either stall, spin, both or be sent to the tower rather quickly............but don't forget or rule out the HO

the most widely used prefered method by most!

mars01 · « **Reply #43 on:** January 07, 2005, 09:56:02 AM »

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A reason that people dont know how to fight at high alt is that the fights are always down low.

Tex let me know when your on, cause I always see the inverse.

LOLH Morph, No doubt hahahaha.

Kev367th · « **Reply #44 on:** January 07, 2005, 12:23:15 PM »

Lol even took to upping a Spit 14 to get the high alt guys. What happens? Straight to the deck.
In fact few weeks ago the opposition sent in 2 262's (joined a few mins later by a 3rd) after 3 of us Spit 14's, guess we should be honored.