Iran

[Nilsen]

Why starting war is bad idea should not even have to be explained.

There is _never_ an excuse for starting war.

What bothers me most is why so many die-hard christians are so eager to start them and to kill others.

[GRUNHERZ]

Well what I really want saw, and the rest of you who piled on me to explain is why you all automatically assumed that I would support an attack on Iran?

I have clearly stated on many occasions that I am against such a war, yet to man every one of you euros - always so eager to criticize me as a "black/white" absolutist thinker automatically assumed the opposite..

Considering the number of times I clearly stated my opinion about attacking Iran or North Korea I'm surprised about what u guys did in this thread..  

Why?  Inmstinct? Going after another attempt to be self righteus?

[takeda]

Crazy neocons....
Who is going to guard Iraq while you get into Iran?  the boy scouts? Can you spell DRAFT?

Even if the Iraqi election somehow works, yeah, attack Iran from Shiite ruled Iraq... great idea, dissolve your already overstretched troops in a bigger country while Al'Sadr has a field day in your back.

And you think China would let you take their main oil source just like that? They won't get directly involved,  they will just crash the dollar and send you into hyperinflation... Say hi to the $1000 bread loaf.

Russia won't like it much either... they are selling those reactors to the Iranians.

The most I think we'll see is some dubiously effective air raid, at the risk of making things worse in Iraq.

-Bbbbbut the ayatollahs are eeeeevil!!!!!
-Yawn...

[Flyboy]

i just dont want iran to get nukes.

because if they will have those, i know where they will be pointing at.

[Saintaw]

Err... following your usual "stance" I thought you were all for it, took it for granted, my bad.

[Jackal1]

Like I said in many posts starting way back, one of the reasons we are in Iraq from the get go is not to scout for new locations for Holiday Inns. It the end it will save us millions on jet fuel, etc.
  The monkies that have been on our back and slinging dung our way in previous years had better find a place to hide. Were cleaning house folks.
  I , for one, am damn proud to see this . I think it will prevent a lot of horrific events in the future.
  It`s not pretty and it is not going to come cheap. It just has to be done before it is too late.

[DieAz]

Originally posted by Saintaw
Ah, yes... "Lets go to war" sayeth GRUN, sitting on his couch, at home.

lol french dude           < (I know, just teasing ya)

didn't you mean to say "sitting on his THRONE, at home" ?  

   

[babek-]

Originally posted by Flyboy
i just dont want iran to get nukes.

because if they will have those, i know where they will be pointing at.

Just one story - so maybe you can believe that Iran will never attack Israel:

There is one german journalist who is highly respected by the iranian mullahs, because he was with Ajatollah Khomeini in the Air France plane which brought him to Teheran after the Shah fled from Iran.

So its easy for him to get interviews in Iran. In one occasion - it was shortly before the Kuwait-war between Bush sr. and Saddam - he was in Teheran and sitting with the highest ranking mullahs, making an interview.

And then he asked "What will happen after Israel is destroyed by the arabs or by Iran?".

There was a moment of confusion while the translation was going on - then all of these mullahs break out laughing.
One of them - i think it was Rafsanjani - said that Iran needs Israel.
Israel is keeping the true enemy of Iran busy: The Arabs. And so iranian policy will never allow that Israel will be destroyed, because we know exactly who will be the next target of the arabs.

And about the direction of these missiles: I wouldnt bet that they would be pointed again Israel but surely against the capitals of the arab nations, where their radical sunnite mullahs still consider shiite muslims as heretics who should be killed.

There is a difference between official statements of the iranian mullah regime and their real policy.

One example:
When the Kuwait War started and USA was bringing the iraqui troops one defeat after the other, there were islamic volunteers of Pakistan who wanted to travel through Iran to Iraq in order to join the iraqui troops.

Officially Iran didnt sent them back when they entered iranian territory. But these "guests" were escorted by iranian military. So the convoy was first sent to Northeast Iran, where medical exams had to be made, then to south Iran and so on. This funny convoy was permanently moving through Iran until the war was over.

So - officially Iran allowed islamic volunteers to cross iranian territory - but inofficially they took care that they were not reaching Iraq.


I know iranian policy is complicated but the last thing Iran would do is an attack against Israel. The simply fact is that Iran considers the non-arab nations in the regions - like Turkey or Israel - as useful in the political war against the arabs.

[Staga]

Originally posted by Flyboy
i just dont want iran to get nukes.

because if they will have those, i know where they will be pointing at.

So where are your nukes pointing at ?

[Skydancer]

Oh god (head now in hands ) Does this mean the US govt is going to start another war? I hope we don't get sucked in. I'm getting increasingly sick of the worlds super power flexing its millitary might. Sort out the env. If we don't do something about that in the next few years, all these petty squabbles about politics and land will be pointless anyhow as the climate will spiral out of control and we'll all be in big trouble regardless of what we believe in, wear, do etc. We Don't need another bloody war.
Frankly if anyone thinks we do they are a prize idiot!

[Canaris]

Iraq is bad enough with the amount of lives that have been lost.  Iran is bigger than Iraq which means more land has to be covered by the military and more lives are going to be lost because Iran has a bigger population.  Especially Iran has nuclear weapons which will kill many people alone.  If we keep starting more wars, there is bound to be a draft started in this country.  Are we trying to get everyone in the world to hate us?

Canaris

[Jackal1]

Originally posted by Canaris
Iraq is bad enough with the amount of lives that have been lost.  Iran is bigger than Iraq which means more land has to be covered by the military and more lives are going to be lost because Iran has a bigger population.  Especially Iran has nuclear weapons which will kill many people alone.  If we keep starting more wars, there is bound to be a draft started in this country.  Are we trying to get everyone in the world to hate us?

Canaris

  Here`s a hint. Were not starting wars, were preventing wars on our homeland.
  IMHO, the "no nads"  policy that has been taken in the past years is why were having to do this to begin with.
  The Mr. Nice guy crap just don`t float the boat. There comes a time  that you either have to stand up and take the fight to them or you can run around at home knitting and picking flowers while your enemies stock their arsenals, build and train their troops and equipment and bring the fight to your homeland.
  So what if we have to reinstate the draft? It worked wonders in situations such as WWII, Korea and Nam. I can tell you one thing it would do. It would stop a lot of BS going on here in the States with the draft age generation.
  You would seem to lose interest in gangs and drive by shootings, etc. if you are in a place where other people are heavily armed and trying to cap your ass.

[midnight Target]

That's it! You are all getting "F's" for keeping shoddy notes regarding GRUN's stance on Iran...

Don't let it happen again people! I mean it!

[storch]

hello Saw,

I was looking for a recipe for ratatouille, with you being french I thought maybe you could help me.

[storch]

Originally posted by Staga
So where are your nukes pointing at ?

finland??