Author Topic: Germany's Socialisim, Or how I learned to love democracy. (Read 1647 times)

JBA · « **on:** January 31, 2005, 02:56:51 PM »

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2005/01/30/wgerm30.xml

A 25-year-old waitress who turned down a job providing "sexual services'' at a brothel in Berlin faces possible cuts to her unemployment benefit under laws introduced this year.

Under Germany's welfare reforms, any woman under 55 who has been out of work for more than a year can be forced to take an available job – including in the sex industry – or lose her unemployment benefit

Last month German unemployment rose for the 11th consecutive month to 4.5 million, taking the number out of work to its highest since reunification in 1990.

GRUNHERZ · « **Reply #1 on:** January 31, 2005, 03:23:19 PM »

Thats actually pretty amazing, a government essentially forcing women to work in the sex industry by the leverage they have over her social benefits, benefits which the goverenment is basically addicting the poulation to. I could understand this in the middle ages or some backward seedy part of the world in asia or africa, but in the heart of sophisticated western Europe in 2005? Truly a sign of the real consequences of Europe's moral decay and one hell of an argument against the European nanny state model.

It really is quite disgusting.

Thrawn · « **Reply #2 on:** January 31, 2005, 03:39:31 PM »

They aren't forcing her to. She can chose not to, and have her welfare checks cut off. They are using the threat of sanction, not coersion.

Lizking · « **Reply #3 on:** January 31, 2005, 03:41:50 PM »

And our liberals get their panties in a wad when we threaten to cut off welfare if they just kick out another cracker spawn. What would they say if welfare moms in Nevada had to go to work at the potatohouse or lose their welfare?

Suave · « **Reply #4 on:** January 31, 2005, 03:42:16 PM »

Socialism is for people who allways want to have a mommy so that they don't have to deal with the consequences of their economic failures.

That's why it allways leads to national financial ruin.

patrone · « **Reply #5 on:** January 31, 2005, 03:45:44 PM »

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Originally posted by Thrawn
They aren't forcing her to. She can chose not to, and have her welfare checks cut off. They are using the threat of sanction, not coersion.

Hm.... Weird.

Sounds like: "If you dont register as a voter, you will not recive goverment aid and meanwhile, let us just check for traces of explosives on your hands......"

lada · « **Reply #6 on:** January 31, 2005, 03:46:14 PM »

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Originally posted by GRUNHERZ
Thats actually pretty amazing, a government essentially forcing women to work in the sex industry by the leverage they have over her social benefits

Thats actually pretty amazing , that you belive it.

Its more like theoretical extreme.

Thrawn · « **Reply #7 on:** January 31, 2005, 03:47:05 PM »

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Originally posted by patrone
Hm.... Weird.

Sounds like: "If you dont register as a voter, you will not recive goverment aid and meanwhile, let us just check for traces of explosives on your hands......"

No it doesn't, you are adding things to my statement to fit your agenda.

john9001 · « **Reply #8 on:** January 31, 2005, 03:49:35 PM »

she should check it out , meet rich arabs, have fun, make big bucks , retire in 3 years.

GRUNHERZ · « **Reply #9 on:** January 31, 2005, 03:50:04 PM »

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Originally posted by lada
Thats actually pretty amazing , that you belive it.

Its more like theoretical extreme.

So you deny that this story happend?

But hey I'm not surprised that the leftists dont see this as a problem, how could you...

patrone · « **Reply #10 on:** January 31, 2005, 03:52:14 PM »

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Originally posted by Thrawn
No it doesn't, you are adding things to my statement to fit your agenda.

Just because one country in Europe has legalized Prostitution, it does not mean everyone has. In my country, they jail both the customer and the prostitute, mostly the girl gets off with a warning and the guy has to shake some bars.

I visited germany in 1983, I am pretty sure prostitution was legal then. The article is just BS, thats my point. And that fits my Agenda even better.

GRUNHERZ · « **Reply #11 on:** January 31, 2005, 03:53:27 PM »

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Originally posted by Thrawn
They aren't forcing her to. She can chose not to, and have her welfare checks cut off. They are using the threat of sanction, not coersion.

They have power over her from the benefits, they can cut them off unless she takes the job as a prostitute.

Whatever the semantics are here, it's claer the goverment of a modern western european society in 2005 is clearly ordering this to woman to become a potato or face immediate negative social and financial consequences.

I find that shocking.

straffo · « **Reply #12 on:** January 31, 2005, 04:09:08 PM »

She already was a prostitute doesn't she worked in the IT ?

lada · « **Reply #13 on:** January 31, 2005, 04:23:01 PM »

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Originally posted by GRUNHERZ
They have power over her from the benefits, they can cut them off unless she takes the job as a prostitute.

Whatever the semantics are here, it's claer the goverment of a modern western european society in 2005 is clearly ordering this to woman to become a potato or face immediate negative social and financial consequences.

I find that shocking.

I do not see anything wrong about this.

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She received a letter from the job centre telling her that an employer was interested in her "profile'' and that she should ring them. Only on doing so did the woman, who has not been identified for legal reasons, realise that she was calling a brothel.

Since she were waiter, she has been invited for interview. Sex clubs are simply legal bussines and they could need some waiters.( or you never saw waiter in Sex club?) She have right to find job herself if she doesnt like this one.

Nobody force her to sell herself.

GRUNHERZ · « **Reply #14 on:** January 31, 2005, 04:27:55 PM »

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Originally posted by lada
I do not see anything wrong about this.

Since she were waiter, she has been invited for interview. Sex clubs are simply legal bussines and they could need some waiters.( or you never saw waiter in Sex club?) She have right to find job herself if she doesnt like this one.

Nobody force her to sell herself.

"A 25-year-old waitress who turned down a job providing "sexual services'' at a brothel in Berlin faces possible cuts to her unemployment benefit under laws introduced this year."

The governemt is forcing her to accept a job as a potato unless she wants her social and financial benefits eliminated.