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« Reply #150 on: February 16, 2005, 11:16:56 PM »
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And what does promoting gun safety have to do with freedom?



This has NOTHING to do with the quote above it in your reply.  AGAIN, you are SKIRTING ISSUES as expected.

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« Reply #151 on: February 17, 2005, 12:10:15 AM »
Ok Vulcan, you answered partially just one question I posed to you. We still don't know the answers about what criteria Australian authorities used to determine improper storage and so on as I mentioned in my earlier post. What about the rest of the questions I posed?

BTW did you notice the NZ regs consider a cupboard adequate storage?

It's time to state a position from you about the subject. No evading, no bringing up secondary slightly related issues, no questioning someone elses position. Regarding the information presented in the article state your position.
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« Reply #152 on: February 17, 2005, 12:16:27 AM »
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BTW did you notice the NZ regs consider a cupboard adequate storage?

It's time to state a position from you about the subject. No evading, no bringing up secondary slightly related issues, no questioning someone elses position. Regarding the information presented in the article state your position.


You chitting me, a CUPBOARD?  Oh Vulcan, you got nothing on my Gunsock, in a range bag on the top shelf in closet.  I raise your a hardened steel Bank safe that takes 1.5 hours to drill just ONE 1/8" hole.  

Now state your stance on the initial subject Vulcan.

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« Reply #153 on: February 17, 2005, 12:45:04 AM »
Vulcan,

How does this sound to you, as a child might lie dying: "Well officer, I thought it was safe in our closet, I thought it was out of reach, no I didn't realize they knew how to load it". Sounds like a cliche? Hey its how you store your firearm right now.

It sounds like that child was rummiging around in someones home without the permission of the homeowner and suffered the consiquences of poor judgment  due to pi$$poor attention by his/her parents not teaching him/her fundimental morality and respect for the property of others. In essence those parents created the foundation for their off springs death. Punish the real culprits, the parents who did not care enough to train the child and keep track of it in another persons home. Laws like this eventialy make the gun owner outside of the protections of due process, nor protect them from unwarrented search and seisure. They open the door to unannounced government  invasions of law abiding citizens lives and property.

That is why King Georges army got its bu## kicked out of America. The Liberal Media in the U.S. wont post the number of incidences where police get shot in the dark for kicking down the wrong door of a law abiding gun owner who thought he was being robbed. You only hear about the old ladies they scare to death, or the old men they arrest for pointing a gun at them when they kick down the wrong door. There is a thriving death toll now in the wrong young man being shot in the wrong house while he was calling 911 on his cell phone because his home was being invaded.


By the way, australian gun ownership is such a small percentage of what it once was that yes 97% of the owners comply due to being scared spitless of the threat of unannounced government invasions of their homes whenever the governments agents want to for storage inspections. In effect australian gun owners are a special class of citizen with fewer rights than non gun owning citizens of your large island. And yet your criminals still have fire arms and other wheapons and are still carryiing on a thriving business.

You still sound like you are afraid of people with guns and see restrictive laws on gun ownership as the answer to your personal distrust of humans bareing arms. Law is the handmaiden to the insane illusion that it is humanities God given right  not to be responcible for the consiquences of their actions. So then they create a government.
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« Reply #154 on: February 17, 2005, 03:54:28 AM »
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BTW did you notice the NZ regs consider a cupboard adequate storage?


you didn't think we had to keep our guns in a central armoury did you?... I mean, us(and the Aussies) being so down trodden and oppressed it's understandable if you did.

btw- that cupboard has to be lockable, with ammo stored elsewhere. Lockable gun racks will do the job too. Handguns, assault rifles and the full auto stuff have to be stored in safes.

It's common sense stuff and not a big deal. But when I move to my cave in the bush, *** the regs, I'm going to leave my guns lying about all over the place- loaded of course.

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« Reply #155 on: February 17, 2005, 04:02:58 AM »
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Vulcan,

How does this sound to you, as a child might lie dying: "Well officer, I thought it was safe in our closet, I thought it was out of reach, no I didn't realize they knew how to load it". Sounds like a cliche? Hey its how you store your firearm right now.

It sounds like that child was rummiging around in someones home without the permission of the homeowner and suffered the consiquences of poor judgment  due to pi$$poor attention by his/her parents not teaching him/her fundimental morality and respect for the property of others. In essence those parents created the foundation for their off springs death. Punish the real culprits, the parents who did not care enough to train the child and keep track of it in another persons home. Laws like this eventialy make the gun owner outside of the protections of due process, nor protect them from unwarrented search and seisure. They open the door to unannounced government  invasions of law abiding citizens lives and property.

That is why King Georges army got its bu## kicked out of America. The Liberal Media in the U.S. wont post the number of incidences where police get shot in the dark for kicking down the wrong door of a law abiding gun owner who thought he was being robbed. You only hear about the old ladies they scare to death, or the old men they arrest for pointing a gun at them when they kick down the wrong door. There is a thriving death toll now in the wrong young man being shot in the wrong house while he was calling 911 on his cell phone because his home was being invaded.


By the way, australian gun ownership is such a small percentage of what it once was that yes 97% of the owners comply due to being scared spitless of the threat of unannounced government invasions of their homes whenever the governments agents want to for storage inspections. In effect australian gun owners are a special class of citizen with fewer rights than non gun owning citizens of your large island. And yet your criminals still have fire arms and other wheapons and are still carryiing on a thriving business.

You still sound like you are afraid of people with guns and see restrictive laws on gun ownership as the answer to your personal distrust of humans bareing arms. Law is the handmaiden to the insane illusion that it is humanities God given right  not to be responcible for the consiquences of their actions. So then they create a government.


IMHO Vulcan is not reading your post.  IMHO vulcan only looks into what you write for ammunition to use in arguing.

IMHO you are wasting your time talking/typing anything to Vulcan.  I've repeatedly answered his words.  As have others.  IMHO Vulcan is either being deliberatly obtuse or NOT reading anything YOU  put in this thread.

IMHO Vulcan fits into this....."According to my observations, mankind are among the most easily tamable and domesticable of all creatures in the animal world. They are readily reducible to submission, so readily conditionable (to coin a word) as to exhibit and almost incredibly enduring patience under restraint and oppression of the most flagrant character. So far are they from displaying any overweening love of freedom that they show a show a singular contentment with a condition of servitorship, often showing a curious canine pride in it, and again often simply unaware that they are existing in that condition." ~~ Albert Jay Nock; The Memoirs of a Superfluous Man


IMHO Vulcan is UNABLE to see past his own wishful thinking.

Many of us KNOW the bottom line in every case is FORCE.  He who has the greater FORCE can and will, frequently, make others do as they're told.

We have repeatedly tried to relate this to Vulcan.  It appears Vulcan is unable to see this.

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« Reply #156 on: February 17, 2005, 04:05:44 AM »
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you lost any kids yet yourself?


Don't play that game.
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« Reply #157 on: February 17, 2005, 08:05:03 AM »
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Don't play that game.


Vulcan seems like a kid the way this has gone.

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« Reply #158 on: February 17, 2005, 08:14:35 AM »
A tad out of order I think. Perhaps taking things a bit to far.

Masher that quote was bustr's not Vulcan'sas I understand it.:confused:

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« Reply #159 on: February 17, 2005, 08:17:01 AM »
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A tad out of order I think. Perhaps taking things a bit to far.

Masher that quote was bustr's not Vulcan'sas I understand it.:confused:


This was DIRECTED specifically to Vulcan by Bustr.

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« Reply #160 on: February 17, 2005, 08:30:56 AM »
hmm... anytime you have to store the ammo in a different place than the gun then you have effectively taken away the right of the owner to use it in his defense in his own home.

My belief is that all children should be taught gun safety.   Parents should assume that a gun will be found by theri children in theirs or others home.   Parents should assume that if a child wanders out onto the freeway that there will be fast cars endangering him... parents should assume that at a certain age kids will learn how to turn on the stove.

Now... If a child is old enough to reach a gun on a counter and work the action they are old enough to have been taught not too or... to ask permission.   Just as you put delicate personal belongings up high enough that toddlers won't break or swallow them...  

I am looking at my Kimber .45 on the counter.  it is loaded with one in the chamber and the hammer down.   Any kid old enough to even see it, let alone reach up and grrab it and then **** the hammer and work the grip safety is old enough to know better.

I will lock that one in the safe when I leave for work Along with some expensive other stuff.

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« Reply #161 on: February 17, 2005, 08:34:12 AM »
and... since the idiots of the world are allways trying to make stuff idiot proof... (useless controls and triggers on power tools for example)

we will soon see guns with chips implanted on the sears that will only allow a person wearing an activation ring or braclet to fire the gun.   I think it is stupid and open to abuse by the government but...

I am interested in what excuse the idiot gun grabbers will come up with then for us not leaving our guns loaded and within reach in our homes.

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« Reply #162 on: February 17, 2005, 08:46:41 AM »
Masher do you have an anger problem?

Maybe you should chill a bit. :aok

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« Reply #163 on: February 17, 2005, 09:32:41 AM »
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Masher do you have an anger problem?

Maybe you should chill a bit. :aok


Funny thing is, I haven't been upset at all.  Sorry to take the wind out of your sails.

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« Reply #164 on: February 17, 2005, 10:05:30 AM »
So whatsall this "Chode, pin head", vitriol about!

If my presence here offends you tell me, then get over it. because I'm not leaving. Just yet anyway.

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