115 men, women and children

[Pongo]

al quida had nothing to do with Iraq, Iraq had nothing to do with 9/11.  The invasion of Iraq had nothing to do with defending america.  That you need to insist otherwise is pathetic.

[Eagler]

Originally posted by Pongo
al quida had nothing to do with Iraq, Iraq had nothing to do with 9/11.  The invasion of Iraq had nothing to do with defending america.  That you need to insist otherwise is pathetic.

terroism has many faces

al_Q was just one of them

IRaq was the right move at the right time .. see Syria, Lybia, Palestine, etc

too bad your hatred of this admin blinds you from this obvious fact

[Zulu7]

"From where Winston stood it was just possible to read.........the three slogans of the party.
                           
                      War is Peace
                      Freedom is Slavery
                      Ignorance is Strength"


George Orwell 1984.

Aptly describes many of the attitudes I see in here. And we all thought The Soviet Union was the model for Orwells vision! Maybe someone in the Bush administration read it too?

[AirWölf]

Circumventing the language filter/Personal attack

[Raider179]

Originally posted by AirWölf
pongo are you really that thick headed and stubborn??

Iraq harbors Terrorists moron! they are in Iraq! Jeezzus..
We ARE defending freedom because if we didnt attack the terrorists it would just give them easier chances to attack us. Our security levels are up, we're fighting back, therefor killing off many terrorists, and eliminating the threat of another 9/11. Yes we'll probably get hit again that is no doubt at all. But atleast America can stand up and fight for what's right. Your f*king stupid.

I kinda subscribe to the "we created 1000 Bin ladens" camp. We should have increased security, we should have caught Osama. Iraq should have been on the back burner. Increasing our security would make it harder for them to attack us, attacking Iraq made it easier. All that did is create a huge recruiting camp for them.(not to mention we did exactly what Islamic extremists have been saying we were gonna do) And if we are destined to be hit by another 9/11 type event like you say, then what the hell good is the war? Dont get me wrong I am not saying leave Iraq hanging but I do think we got our priorities wrong.

[Sandman]

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[genozaur]

Originally posted by OneWordAnswer
Contacts between Iraqi intelligence agents and Osama bin Laden when he was in Sudan in the mid-1990's were part of a broad effort by Baghdad to work with organizations opposing the Saudi ruling family, according to a newly disclosed document obtained by the Americans in Iraq.

The task force concluded that the document "appeared authentic," and that it "corroborates and expands on previous reporting" about contacts between Iraqi intelligence and Mr. bin Laden

I always wonder what is that so particularly interesting for the federal republic of the United States of America in keeping the safety of the ruling family of the monarchic state of Saudi Arabia.
But this is huge ! The USA started the war against Iraq because the Iraqi intelligence agents cooperated with Osama bin Laden in a plot against Saudi ruling family !
Really huge ! That's what the real friends are for !  

[DmdBT]

Originally posted by AirWölf
JB88 Civilians are expected to die in ANY War. We're not there to kill civilians, No... We're there to give the iraqi people something they never had... FREEDOM

There are plenty of countries in Africa and one North Korea that could definitely use some freedom, why arent we replacing their dictatorial governments and saving their populations from genocide and mass starvation?

[Sandman]

Originally posted by Sandman
Circumventing the language filter/Personal attack

Bah... That wasn't a personal attack, but it was indeed a circumvention of the ******* language filter.

[Gh0stFT]

Originally posted by DmdBT
There are plenty of countries in Africa and one North Korea that could definitely use some freedom, why arent we replacing their dictatorial governments and saving their populations from genocide and mass starvation?

One thing is the black gold that dont exist in the countrys you named,
back to topic, for how long suicide bombings going on in
israel-palestina?
then you know what to expect in iraq the next eternity...

[Zulu7]

I wonder if the US will learn from its current folly like your nation has done Gh0stFT?

[-tronski-]

Wow....I'm just so glad we're increasing our troop numbers again...what a great wonderful Iraqi war on terror it is to be involved in....with such clear and concise adjectives...a cleary defined enemy too.....hopefully this will go on for at least another 10 more years just like that other equally well defined war we were involved in 40 years ago....

 Tronsky

[Zulu7]

You read 1984 too?

Big brother is watching you



 

[Steve]

88, you loon!  LOL

I don't need to debate w/ you, those articles counterpoint nicely... did you read them?   LOL

[JB88]

yes, i did steve.  and though i have been unable to dig up the number of CIVILIANS killed by the insurgency, even the low estimates put the number of civilians killed by us at over 10,000 with the long number being 100, 000.  thats a pretty hefty number for such smart bombers as us.

you see steve, it all depends upon how you view these people.  are they humans like us or savages.  if you see them as humans you say, i mourn for thier loss as it is the same as my own.  if you see them as savages then you have to drop the whole "we are only there to help them" crap and admit that it is a territorial war for oil.

you can try to clean your conscience all that you want, but the fact remains that you are cheerleading bloodletting.

which you are only cheerleading btw.

do you actually have the stones to go over there and fight for what you spout off about here?