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« on: March 14, 2005, 01:16:06 AM »
http://www.usatoday.com/news/world/2005-03-13-china-taiwan_x.htm?csp=24&RM_Exclude=Juno

China's president tells army to be prepared for war
BEIJING (AP) — China's national legislature on Monday overwhelmingly approved a law authorizing a military attack to stop Taiwan from pursuing formal independence, a day after President Hu Jintao told the 2.5 million-member People's Liberation Army to be prepared for war.
The measure was approved by a vote of 2,896 to zero, with two abstentions on the last day of the figurehead National People's Congress' annual session.

"We shall step up preparations for possible military struggle and enhance our capabilities to cope with crises, safeguard peace, prevent wars and win the wars if any," the official Xinhua News Agency quoted Hu as saying Sunday.

Hu's comments, made to military delegates at the national legislature, appeared aimed at underlining Beijing's determination to unify with democratically ruled Taiwan, which split from the Chinese mainland in 1949. Delegates to the NPC burst into applause after the approval of the law, shown live on national television.

"This law ... represents the people's determination not to allow Taiwan to be separated from China by any means or any excuses," said Wu Bangguo, China's No. 2 leader and chairman of the parliament.

On Sunday, Hu was appointed as chairman of the government's Central Military Commission, a largely symbolic move that capped a generational transfer of power. He already heads a parallel party commission that runs China's military.

Hu, 62, has shown no sign of diverging from former President Jiang Zemin's hard-line stance toward Taiwan, a democratically ruled island that Beijing insists is part of the communist mainland.

The two sides split in a civil war more than 50 years ago, and Beijing has long threatened to invade if Taipei takes formal steps toward independence.

The anti-secession law passed Monday is aimed at discouraging self-ruled Taiwan, which Beijing claims as its territory, from making its de facto independence permanent.

"We must ... always place the task of defending national sovereignty, security and territorial integrity and safeguarding the interests of national development above anything else," Xinhua quoted Hu as telling military delegates to the congress.

Taiwan's government has condemned the law, saying it risks raising tensions. The United States also appealed to China not to enact the measure.

At a news conference after the measure passed, however, Chinese Premier Wen Jiabao denied it was a war bill.

"This is a law advancing peaceful unification between the sides. It is not targeted at the people of Taiwan, nor is it a war bill," Wen said.

Taiwanese President Chen Shui-bian has said it "enables China to unilaterally decide Taiwan's future and ignore that Taiwanese have the right to choose a democratic and free lifestyle."

After the bill passed Monday, the Japanese government's top spokesman said it could dangerously raise regional tensions.

"We are concerned about negative effects of the bill on the peace and stability in the Taiwan Straits and the relationship between the two sides, which had been improving," said Chief Cabinet Secretary Hiroyuki Hosoda.

The United States would be Taiwan's most likely defender if China attacked. Washington is lobbying strongly against European Union plans to lift a 15-year-old arms embargo against China, arguing that high-tech European weapons might be used against Taiwanese or U.S. forces.

Hu replaced Jiang as Communist Party leader in 2002 and as president the next year, as power passed to a new generation of Chinese leaders. He succeeded Jiang as head of the party's military commission in September.

Analysts say Jiang, 78, still exerts influence, but not to the extent that his predecessor, Deng Xiaoping, did after retiring from his government posts. Deng was considered China's paramount leader until his death in 1997.

Unlike earlier Chinese leaders who were revered as heroes of the 1949 communist revolution, neither Hu nor Jiang has military experience.

The Communist Party newspaper People's Daily said Sunday that the anti-secession law "shows the Chinese people's common will and firm determination of safeguarding territorial integrity and sovereignty and absolutely does not allow Taiwan independence forces to separate Taiwan from China by any name or by any means."

Jiang, a former Shanghai mayor, was chosen to head the party in 1989 in the tumult that followed the military crackdown on pro-democracy protests centered on Tiananmen Square in Beijing.

He served as president from 1993-2003. During his leadership, China boomed economically even as it remained an authoritarian one-party political system.

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« Reply #1 on: March 14, 2005, 01:21:20 AM »
Well, now is a good a time as ever for them to try. My guess is that they will not try, but if they do, they will lose.

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« Reply #2 on: March 14, 2005, 01:25:43 AM »
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"This law ... represents the people's determination not to allow Taiwan to be separated from China by any means or any excuses," said Wu Bangguo, China's No. 2 leader and chairman of the parliament.

 


Meanwhile, back on planet Earth, Taiwan and China are seperated and China can't do anything about it.

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« Reply #3 on: March 14, 2005, 01:27:10 AM »
meanwhile,  nuke leaves his buddy a' hangin.

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« Reply #4 on: March 14, 2005, 01:32:20 AM »
There's not going to be a war betwwen China and Taiwan because right now both of them are making money and a war would ruin that.

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« Reply #5 on: March 14, 2005, 01:37:09 AM »
And this is US answer.

http://edition.cnn.com/2005/WORLD/asiapcf/03/13/china.npc.law/index.html

The measure, passed on Monday by the National People's Congress, "represents the common will and strong determination of the Chinese people to safeguard the territorial integrity" of China, NPC chairman Wu Bangguo said.

Wu said the measure would "promote the peaceful reunification" and "contain secessionist forces in Taiwan," which China's ruling Communist Party considers a renegade province.

The law allows China's State Council and the Central Military Commission to move against any formal secession attempt by Taiwan as a last resort, should chances for peaceful reunification "be completely exhausted."

But Chinese Premier Wen Jiabao said the new legislation was not a "war bill."

"This is a law advancing peaceful unification between the sides. It is not targeted at the people of Taiwan, nor is it a war bill," Wen said at a news conference, shortly after the law was passed.

China has long threatened to take military action to prevent Taiwan from declaring formal independence.

Monday's resolution, approved as the annual National People's Congress came to a close, puts a legal framework behind those threats.

The law also declares that the status of Taiwan "is China's internal affair, which subjects to no interference by any outside forces."

The measure has triggered widespread criticism from Taiwan, where one leader called it a "dark cloud" hanging over relations with mainland China. There was no immediate reaction to its passage from Taipei.

In Washington, the Bush administration last week called it "unhelpful" and urged Beijing to reconsider the bill. But Wu waid the measure would promote peaceful reunification and regional stability.

"This law has practical and profound historical significance," he said.

China hopes the law will deter Taiwan President Chen Shui-bian from pushing for the island's independence before the end of his second and last term in 2008, analysts say, Reuters reported.

Despite the legislation, analysts say the People's Liberation Army has no immediate plans to attack Taiwan and the "non-peaceful" means is not specifically a reference to war. It could, for example, be economic sanctions or blockades.

Beijing has claimed sovereignty over Taiwan, which lies east of the Chinese coast, since Nationalist troops lost the Chinese civil war on the mainland and fled to the island in 1949.

Reuters reports the new law will feature in talks between U.S. Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice and her Chinese counterpart Li Zhaoxing in Beijing on March 20-21.

Washington recognizes China but is Taiwan's main supporter and arms supplier.

U.S. President George W. Bush has pledged to help Taiwan defend itself against any Chinese attack.

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« Reply #6 on: March 14, 2005, 01:45:23 AM »
We don't have to threaten China with military force on behalf of Formosa to prevent a war- all we have to do is threaten to close our markets to them.

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« Reply #7 on: March 14, 2005, 01:59:02 AM »
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We don't have to threaten China with military force on behalf of Formosa to prevent a war- all we have to do is threaten to close our markets to them.


China cannot take Taiwan with the forces they have. Maybe in 10 years.

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« Reply #8 on: March 14, 2005, 02:13:07 AM »
not all nations adhere to your principles of model building my friend.

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« Reply #9 on: March 14, 2005, 02:15:50 AM »
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We don't have to threaten China with military force on behalf of Formosa to prevent a war- all we have to do is threaten to close our markets to them.


lets do it, im sick when i see everything they sell in all shops is labeled "made in china"

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« Reply #10 on: March 14, 2005, 02:32:16 AM »
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lets do it, im sick when i see everything they sell in all shops is labeled "made in china"


Why are you sick that things are make in China?

I'd be sick if things were made in Poland, but China makes some good stuff when told exactly how to manufacture a western product.

Poland is a lost cause.

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« Reply #11 on: March 14, 2005, 02:34:24 AM »
And all this time I was under the impression China could come over here and beat us with sticks, never mind nukes.

This is interesting to me because when my dad was alive, he and my brother got into a discussion about China (this was 15 years ago.)

Dad thought the Chinese were a serious potential threat and my brother said they were not to worry about far as war with the US.  I hope my brother was right, but Dad had respect for the Chinese commies.  He said their form of communism was probably the only form that worked, and that it was even good for them and we shouldn't interfere in their affairs.




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« Reply #12 on: March 14, 2005, 02:38:04 AM »
more people got fed than did under the emperor.

at least that much i know is true.
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« Reply #13 on: March 14, 2005, 02:43:14 AM »
Stop shopping at Wall Mart and China goes broke. :D

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« Reply #14 on: March 14, 2005, 02:52:50 AM »
All I ask is that all dogfights between U.S. fighters and Chinese Migs be recorded.  I am getting tired of watching and rewatching Iron Eagle.