Vancouver Tries Free Heroin Program

[Siaf__csf]

Do you have any idea on the impact drug abuse has on the society? Whatever it takes to get rid of it it's worth it.

SOB for a price of one nuke you can 'treat' 10 000 junkies any day. The money is there, any time. All it takes is a decision. I'm sick of people 'understanding' the junkies. Nobody forces them to start the abuse and everyone of them knew the consequences. If we rule out innocent cases who became addicted through codein painkillers and such, they all became junkies by thier own decision initially.

If that decision leads to hurting other people physically or financyally then something should be done about it. Immediately.

[capt. apathy]

Originally posted by Siaf__csf
But won't they get a moment of clarity after a month with no dope apathy?

antoher thing that brought me back to this quote is that even if you manage to get that moment of clarity and it all makes sense to them, what good would that moment do for them?

when you do the math and stack that mental clarity up against weakness/addiction, weakness wins.  you can stack up years of clarity against 1 moment of weakness and weakness wins.

[GtoRA2]

Nash...
 
 I had no idea. The way you put it in words is scary.  I hope no one I know or care about does this to themselves.


What got you started on it?

[Nash]

Originally posted by GtoRA2
What got you started on it?

I would have to say....

An insatiable curiousity combined with a potentially fatal mental defect of some kind.

[GtoRA2]

Did you know others who tried it? I have never even seen it. None of my friends have ever gone near it.

[g00b]

Damn straight it's a write-off. It's a cold, heartless, analytical approach to make society feel like they're doing something helpful. Only problem is they're only helping themselves to feel better, not the addict.

8 million is nothing. Giving each and every addict the time and attention they need to truly get better is going to cost a LOT more.

This does nothing more than "maybe" lowering crime a bit and controlling the cash flow.

The cold, heartless bastard in me wants to say "hey, this is the best thing junkies could ask for, just stay high untill you die". A sort of assisted suicide.

The kind, caring side of me says we should do everything in our power to help these people (of whom I've known many).

Unfortunately we don't live in a kind and loving society. Where we put our tax dollars (stupid programs like this) proves it.

[mora]

Originally posted by Siaf__csf
Do you have any idea on the impact drug abuse has on the society? Whatever it takes to get rid of it it's worth it.

Alcohol creates many times the "cost" than all illegal drugs combined. Then you have unhealthy eating habits and private automobiles. Should we do whatever it takes to get a rid of those too?

My answer is no. I wouldn't be ready shell out a single cent for any of those efforts plus I would not be willing to abolish my civil liberties, which the control network reguired would essentially mean.

I cannot think of a single thing that would support whatever it takes to get rid of.

When it comes to getting rid of drugs the clear fact is that drug policy doesn't really have an effect on levels of drug use. Infact the levels of drug use tend to be higher in countries that employ repressive drug policies,  an the costs to society even more so. There is drug use in all societies including some Asian countries which are employing the death penalty.

[Pongo]

I see the little blue discarded wrappers from the free needles from time to time arround town. I guess this is just an extension of that.

[Nash]

If it weren't for the needle exchange, I'd have hep C or some other scary thing, there's absolutely no doubt in my mind about it.

[Gunslinger]

Originally posted by Maverick
Gunslinger,

I like the idea you had but I have to say it would be a mere drop in the bucket. In the US alone there are approximately 7000 seperate police jurisdictions. Dividing up 8 mil would make it pretty watered down unfortunately. The borders around the US are about as water tight as a collander. Increasing interdiction is very hard to do and hideously expensive. I dopn't have any ideas of how to solve the problem but I darn sure don't think handing out free dope is the way to do it.

The 8 million figure came from the article about Vancouver.  It was soley based on one city or one department.  It was the amount stated in the article that was being devoted to the free dope program.

[SOB]

Originally posted by Siaf__csf
SOB for a price of one nuke you can 'treat' 10 000 junkies any day. The money is there, any time. All it takes is a decision. I'm sick of people 'understanding' the junkies. Nobody forces them to start the abuse and everyone of them knew the consequences. If we rule out innocent cases who became addicted through codein painkillers and such, they all became junkies by thier own decision initially.

Yeah, and in a perfect world there wouldn't be junkies or nukes, and there'd always be a pretty pretty rainbow in the sky.

I don't care if people want to "understand" the junkies, that's their business.  I personally don't give a damn about the junkies, and the least-cost option for society is what I'd be likely to support.

[Toad]

Hey... I admitted I was a 'tang junkie in this thread and here you are bashing junkies. That's cruel

.... and anyway, I'm getting "that feeling" right now... I can't settle down.. it's all I can think about... AGHHHH! I NEED MY FIX!!!!!!

Please... VANCOUVER HELP ME!!!!

[SOB]

Uh oh, Toad's getting randy.  I'm outta here.  Watch yer cornholes, buds!

[Pongo]

The Pig farm was pretty inexpensive till they spent millions digging up bone fragments and running dna test on them.

[Siaf__csf]

Alcohol creates many times the "cost" than all illegal drugs combined. Then you have unhealthy eating habits and private automobiles. Should we do whatever it takes to get a rid of those too?

My answer is no. I wouldn't be ready shell out a single cent for any of those efforts plus I would not be willing to abolish my civil liberties, which the control network reguired would essentially mean.

I cannot think of a single thing that would support whatever it takes to get rid of.

Are you a friggin junkie too? Automobiles and eating are useful necessities you can't even talk about them in the same day with drugs. That's just plain rediculous. Drugs are in no way a benefit to the society, quite the contrary in fact. Alcoholists rarely rob people / kill people in order to get money for booze. Junkies do. I guess you never had your car stereo ripped off by a junkie so he could get his fix. I guess you never got hepatitis or Aids from an intravenous drug user who spreads the diseases not only through sharing needles but his sexual activities. I guess you like having drugged up zombies raving around you.  Your civil liberties do not include drug usage even today. It's illegal. So what would be taken away from you?

And to SOB: Are you being intentionally dumb now or just can't help it? If your theory was right, nothing could ever develop. Nothing could ever be built. No new service could ever be started because it's not possible to find funding to anything new in this world.

This may come to you as a news flash but when the tsunami happened your own government all of the sudden found funding enough to send millions in support to the people. According to you it shouldn't be possible.