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Offline Captain Virgil Hilts

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« Reply #15 on: March 18, 2005, 03:28:41 PM »
This should never have reached the Federal level. Nonetheless, it has. The problem lies in florida's legal system.

Greer is in contempt of Congress, and I hope they nail him on it. He cannot okay having the tube removed if she has been called before Congress, he's overstepped his authority (not uncommon since judges now get to legislate from the bench). He needs to be removed from the bench and disbarred.

There is something seriously wrong going on. Her husband is obsessed with having her die. She had no living will. His word is not legal authority on which to discontinue life support, especially since life support ONLY includes the feeding tube.

It is a sad commentary on our society as a whole when murderers and child molesters cannot be executed without 20 years of appeals, but a helpless woman can be painfully starved to death over a period of days or weeks. This woman is going to die in a way that could only be classified as cruel, and equal to torture. You can't treat criminals or terrorists the way they will now treat her.

Personally I hope that her husband chokes on a freakin Big Mac this evening and ends up in the hospital needing the kind of care he refuses to allow his wife to have.

Judge Greer and Michael Schiavo should be locked in the room with her until the tube is reinserted or she dies. They need to bear personal witness to the results of their actions for however long it takes. Give them 4 ounces of water and a multivitamin per day and nothing else while they're there.
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« Reply #16 on: March 18, 2005, 03:31:37 PM »
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I thought it was a BRILLIANT move to give her a Subpeona.  This way they can't harm or murder her.


Wrong. Judge Greer legislates from the bench, and feels he is not subject to the law and Congress. He ruled the tube could be removed regardless of Congress, and it was removed an hour or two ago. They should make him watch her die, and give him 4 ounces of water and one vitamin per day, as long as she lingers.
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« Reply #17 on: March 18, 2005, 03:34:53 PM »
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and what sick wacko wants to purposely make his ex-wife starve to death?


dont kid yourself thats the skinny of it, he wants to have her feeding tube removed and it will take up to 3 weeks for her to die.

if she can conciously feel anything, imagine the pain of starving to death.

i was going to post a thread about this saying horray for the government finally acting with some sence, but it would just look like another anti-liberal rant of mine.


She's not his ex-wife, they're still married. He won't divorce her because if he does, he cannot have the money he got when he sued for malpractice. He promised in court to use every penny for her care and well being. Wonder how much of that money he's spent getting legal standing to starve her to death.
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« Reply #18 on: March 18, 2005, 03:39:14 PM »
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.... He promised in court to use every penny for her care and well being....


... as long as she is alive.

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« Reply #19 on: March 18, 2005, 03:43:21 PM »
Hey Sandy

Where were you trying to go with that? Do you really think that Michael is right?


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« Reply #20 on: March 18, 2005, 04:15:57 PM »
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Originally posted by Captain Virgil Hilts
This should never have reached the Federal level. Nonetheless, it has. The problem lies in florida's legal system.

Greer is in contempt of Congress, and I hope they nail him on it. He cannot okay having the tube removed if she has been called before Congress, he's overstepped his authority (not uncommon since judges now get to legislate from the bench). He needs to be removed from the bench and disbarred.

There is something seriously wrong going on. Her husband is obsessed with having her die. She had no living will. His word is not legal authority on which to discontinue life support, especially since life support ONLY includes the feeding tube.

It is a sad commentary on our society as a whole when murderers and child molesters cannot be executed without 20 years of appeals, but a helpless woman can be painfully starved to death over a period of days or weeks. This woman is going to die in a way that could only be classified as cruel, and equal to torture. You can't treat criminals or terrorists the way they will now treat her.

Personally I hope that her husband chokes on a freakin Big Mac this evening and ends up in the hospital needing the kind of care he refuses to allow his wife to have.

Judge Greer and Michael Schiavo should be locked in the room with her until the tube is reinserted or she dies. They need to bear personal witness to the results of their actions for however long it takes. Give them 4 ounces of water and a multivitamin per day and nothing else while they're there.


I'm not defending anything, and I'm not saying this to take a side.  But for one second, stop and think.  You are saying the husband is obsessed over seeing her dead.  What if he is telling the truth though, and he really believes his wife is in her own personal kind of Hell trapped inside her own head.  What if he believes truly that the best way to show his love for her is to end her torture?  

While I cant claim to know what anyone in this family is going through, I've been faced with the possibility of being invalid.  Not nearly as serious as this poor woman's case, and I was capable of making my own decisions and speaking.  Its still depressing as hell to have a doctor tell you there is a damn good chance you will spend the rest of your life in a wheelchair.  Lucky for me, he was wrong (or I was too stubborn to accept it, either way it worked out in my favor).  It definitely changed my outlook though, and gave me some sympathy for people who have been handicapped or made invalid who seek death.  I never understood it before.

All I'm saying is, if it truly was her wish not to live if machines were required, it should be honored.  And no matter what anyone thinks of him, without proof he is the monster you all claim he is, as her husband HE should be the one to make that decision, not her parents.  Not us.  Not politicians who want to get a vote out of appearing humanitarian.  Even if she is not in a PVS, she is still severely brain damaged.  

That said, you guys are probably right, he probably is a POS and this whole thing is probably just a sham for him to get the money.  But it might not be, and then you are sticking your nose into the private life of a husband and wife and her wishes regarding her death.  IMO thats just not something the public needs to be in.

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« Reply #21 on: March 18, 2005, 04:21:54 PM »
your giving the husband to much credit, there is to much showing he is slime.


He got a big malpractive settlement so he could take care of her, saying he wanted her to live, then get the money and no decided she told him she didnt want to live like this?


There is a pretty good change he did this to her.


he is slime and will not even let her parents bring in another doctor for another opinion, or give up gaurdian ship to them


Her parents never heard her say anything about pulling theplug. My parents and my GF know MY feelings on this.

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« Reply #22 on: March 18, 2005, 05:49:54 PM »
virgil... did they really remove the tube? link?

i hope those ******* burn in hell for doing that.
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« Reply #23 on: March 18, 2005, 06:18:17 PM »
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virgil... did they really remove the tube? link?

i hope those ******* burn in hell for doing that.


Yes sir, they did. Check Fox (on their main page) or Drudge, or any other news source. Greer ruled about 1:30 EST or so, they did it almost immediately. He can't wait to have her dead. He can take the rest of the money and marry his new flame.
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« Reply #24 on: March 18, 2005, 06:24:14 PM »
The Congress getting involved turned a sad situation into a sad circus.

to them...

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« Reply #25 on: March 18, 2005, 06:45:16 PM »
judge greer could be in contempt of congress for interfearing with a federal witness.

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« Reply #26 on: March 18, 2005, 10:40:25 PM »
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The Congress getting involved turned a sad situation into a sad circus.

to them...


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« Reply #27 on: March 19, 2005, 02:17:31 AM »
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Why is her husband in "command" of her life? Only doctors should be able to determine whether to stop any form of treatment to preserve a life and the courts should decide, not the relatives who may or may not have other motives to do so.


Not in this country. The doctor is there to provide a service. It is not within their rights to decide. A doctor asks for permission to treat a patient... that's why we sign forms of consent.
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« Reply #28 on: March 19, 2005, 02:26:45 AM »
It's cases like this where the living will comes into play.
For example in my case I have in my living will that I am not to be kept alive in a vegetative state.

They may harvest any organs that are of use and then cremate me .

And I have left money for my best friend to take my ashes and his family to the British Virgin Islands where he will dump my ashes over the wreck of the R.M.S Rhone.

You really cant spell it out too clear It has to be obvious to everyone involved that this is how you wish to go out of this world.

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« Reply #29 on: March 19, 2005, 12:19:47 PM »
The level of stupidity in this case is incredible. Especially from those who get their info from Rush and Drudge.


1. The quotes were from a 1992 trial... that was 13 years ago! Do ya think maybe she has debilitated a little since then?
2. She was anorexic. The same potassium imbalance killed Karen Carpenter and the wife of James Michner. (Who also pulled the plug after a long wait.)
3. He (the husband) has been offered up to 10 million dollars to let her live. He isn't doing this for the money.
4. He has had the same goal from the beginning because he claims that it was his wife's wish.  
5. Personal freedom... If he is right about her wish, then we (the State or the Feds) need to stay the hell out of it.