Shiavo case

[TweetyBird]

Well please explain Nash. We don't starve DOGS to death because it is cruel. But we do starve humans to death?

[Nash]

That's right.

What's to explain?

[CPorky]

What I'm trying to tell you is that type of thing happens every day; families dealing with the decision, the consequences, and the outcome. How can you or anyone else make a firm ruling on a death of an individual when all of us are unique? It belongs in the State Medical Board, not on the floor of public opinion.

As far as incompetence, I forgive you for the attempted insult.

Originally posted by TweetyBird
[BSo you are telling me hospitals aren't  absolutely full of incompetence , and everyone there is enlightened, and my chance of dieing to incompetence (staff, septis) doesn't increase exponentialy with the length of my stay in a hospital?

Sell it somewhere else. [/B]

[AKS\/\/ulfe]

We put incapacitated  dogs to sleep, yes? Yes.
-SW

[FUNKED1]

With Tweety on this.

[Raider179]

again I will ask who here would want to be kept alive if you were in the same state as she is???

[AKS\/\/ulfe]

Can she eat on her own?

What do we do with pets that can't eat on their own?

You want to compare it, then there it is.
-SW

[OIO]

I think the whole point is that they are starving her to death.

That is inhumane. And its being done 'for mercy' .. the irony of it!


If she has no higher brain functions and they want to allow her to die...even if it was her choice, then let it be a merciful death.. lethal injection, cyanide... a bullet in the head even.. but making the person suffer from starvation (dehydration really) is just horrible.

The husband himself is a bag of contradictions. From what I can tell he first fought to keep her alive... long enough to get lots of money from legal stuff... and now that he is involved with another woman (while still married) he wants the wife dead (after like a decade of her being in that state) so he can move and enjoy his money with his new flame.

BRRRR.

[Nash]

This thing has already went through due process in the courts, with testimony from experts and consideration of that testimony by same.

It's now being tried in Congress, by baffoons, without the benefit of experts nor any testimony whatsoever. Watch as your state rights erode... and erode...

But I personally could care less about that. Removing her feeding tube is not inhumane. I've heard from enough people who actually deal with this stuff on a daily basis to be comfortable with that.

[TweetyBird]

>>again I will ask who here would want to be kept alive if you were in the same state as she is???

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You know what. That doesn't matter. She's being fed with a feeding tube as many many others in this country are being fed. We don't kill people because they lose their swallowing reflex. Hell - why don't we just kill everyone when they lose their immunity capabilites eh? I'm sure that would get a rise eh?

This is not an heroic measures case. The fact it is being twisted into one suggests malice and suggests a criminal investigation is in order.

[Raider179]

Originally posted by TweetyBird
>>again I will ask who here would want to be kept alive if you were in the same state as she is???

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You know what. That doesn't matter. She's being fed with a feeding tube as many many others in this country are being fed. We don't kill people because they lose their swallowing reflex. Hell - why don't we just kill everyone when they lose their immunity capabilites eh? I'm sure that would get a rise eh?

This is not an heroic measures case. The fact it is being twisted into one suggests malice and suggests a criminal investigation is in order.

but that is exactly what matters. HER WISHES. Not yours or congress or lawyers. What she would want. I find it hard to believe anyone would want to live like that. Starving in 2 weeks versus 20 years of that, no thanks. Take my tube out and let me get some sleep.

on another note you are comparing people who are functioning mentally with her. That is not the case. She does not have cognitive ability. Do I think anyone without cognitive ability should be allowed to starve? If that was their wish you bet I do.

[TweetyBird]

>>on another note you are comparing people who are functioning mentally with her. That is not the case. She does not have cognitive ability. Do I think anyone without cognitive ability should be allowed to starve? If that was their wish you bet I do.<<

That is EXACTLY the case. She responds to noises, lights, and voices. And you know what? The only voice saying she doesn't want to live like that is a husband with another woman who kept her alive for law suits.
Her wishes were't high on the list when he was seeking compensation. Now he's done with her so wants to kill her?  You don't think this deserves a criminal investigation?

[OIO]

nash, even if she has no higher brain functions she still feels pain. She feels PERIOD.

I bet that if you go into her room and punch her in the face she wont just stand there black-eyed with a 'lost in space' smile on her face. she'll be on the floor crying.


she's like a newborn baby really.

if it was her living will to be allowed to die then so be it. Im sure she would also agree that starving to death is NOT the way she'd want to go... im sure she'd ask for a quick death via lethal injection or something like that.

[Nash]

Originally posted by TweetyBird
That is EXACTLY the case. She responds to noises, lights, and voices. And you know what? The only voice saying she doesn't want to live like that is a husband with another woman who kept her alive for law suits.
Her wishes were't high on the list when he was seeking compensation. Now he's done with her so wants to kill her?  You don't think this deserves a criminal investigation?

You're being hysterical.

[TweetyBird]

>>You're being hysterical.

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Yes and you're posting without an argument ...

If you say it again maybe you can pass it off as an argument..