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Offline Raider179

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« Reply #30 on: March 20, 2005, 10:45:34 PM »
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>>on another note you are comparing people who are functioning mentally with her. That is not the case. She does not have cognitive ability. Do I think anyone without cognitive ability should be allowed to starve? If that was their wish you bet I do.<<

That is EXACTLY the case. She responds to noises, lights, and voices. And you know what? The only voice saying she doesn't want to live like that is a husband with another woman who kept her alive for law suits.
Her wishes were't high on the list when he was seeking compensation. Now he's done with her so wants to kill her?  You don't think this deserves a criminal investigation?


She does not have a functioning brain. She is brain damaged. You do know her husband said if the family quit fighting he would donate the letover money to a charity of their choice. So please don't give me its about the money bs. As for she responds to lights and balloons and what not like I said that kind of life would suck and I would rather starve, would you?

FACT: In October, 1998, Schiavo’s attorney proposed that, if Terri’s parents would agree to her death by starvation, Schiavo would donate his inheritance to charity.  

Straight off the families website

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« Reply #31 on: March 20, 2005, 10:45:40 PM »
Do you nimrods believe she is "living with dignity?"

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« Reply #32 on: March 20, 2005, 10:45:44 PM »
I'm trusting the arguments already made by people much smarter than me, and the conclusion they reached.

I'm trusting a husband, who in some private moment has probably had this conversation with his wife, as we all have had.

I don't have any reason to doubt him, and I respect his privacy, and his wishes, and the court's conclusion.

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« Reply #33 on: March 20, 2005, 10:50:32 PM »
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I guess some people don't understand that some of us would rather starve to death than live in that condition.I completely understand the husband wanting to end it for her. My family and myself have all discussed this issue before and all agreed that none of us would want to live in that diminished capacity. That is not life to me. That is called being a burden and that is the last thing any of us would want to be to someone else. That would straight up suck to be in that mental/physical state.

My final question to you all who think the husband is doing the wrong thing is this...If you were in her position/state would you want to be kept alive or allowed to die?


Raider, if the prognosis is 100% negative, give her the painless lethal injection, but do not starve her to death !
The thing is that Dr Gevorkian (the so-labelled "Dr Death"who was put in jail) is not innocent and at the same time he is not a criminal. He did what a good doctor should do - to ease the departure of the suffering terminally ill people.
But besides that there are totally different cases
when comatose people retain the essential functions of the human being. For example,
a comatose woman carries and gives birth to a child.
http://www.cwnews.com/news/viewstory.cfm?recnum=202

 In order to be able to do that her brain must have very important areas still intact. But I fear that the ability to see and speak can become for the doctors more important than the ability to carry children, so it's a rare case that a comatose woman was let to survive for ten years. And there are other questions, of course.
If we don't let good doctors (like Gevorkian) to do their mercyful job, don't let husbands to fulfill their wives' wills, would we let lawyers to starve our loved ones to death ?
The intrusion of state into sacred and most delicate affairs of our personal life becomes overmhelming. But is it right ?
You can't defend yourself with the firearm when you are robbed in the street (because the armed cop around the corner is supposed to defend you). When you are terminally ill and in big pain even the good doctor is not allowed to help you in your last wordly decision.
What's next ?

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« Reply #34 on: March 20, 2005, 10:54:48 PM »
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again I will ask who here would want to be kept alive if you were in the same state as she is???


Raider, what's her state ? Is she so terminally ill that she will die some day ? Or is she so ill that she could die in a month ? :confused:

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« Reply #35 on: March 20, 2005, 10:56:29 PM »
Hey, it's just a human life...why bother feeding her when she stated that she would love to starve to death?

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« Reply #36 on: March 20, 2005, 10:57:39 PM »
I wasnt defending the method of the way she is gonna go. That is the only "legal" way for it to happen. I would have no qualms about morphine overdose or like you suggest lethal injection.

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« Reply #37 on: March 20, 2005, 10:58:02 PM »
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but that is exactly what matters. HER WISHES. Not yours or congress or lawyers. What she would want. I find it hard to believe anyone would want to live like that. Starving in 2 weeks versus 20 years of that, no thanks. Take my tube out and let me get some sleep.

on another note you are comparing people who are functioning mentally with her. That is not the case. She does not have cognitive ability. Do I think anyone without cognitive ability should be allowed to starve? If that was their wish you bet I do.


Even when this person without cognitive ability is pregnant with a healthy baby ?

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« Reply #38 on: March 20, 2005, 10:58:21 PM »
All this talk about dogs having more rights than humans, because they get lethal injection...

I don't hear these politicians pushing for any law that would allow lethal injection for humans.

It's not about that, obviously.

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« Reply #39 on: March 20, 2005, 10:58:50 PM »
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I wasnt defending the method of the way she is gonna go. That is the only "legal" way for it to happen. I would have no qualms about morphine overdose or like you suggest lethal injection.


so, just kill her then.

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« Reply #40 on: March 20, 2005, 10:59:32 PM »
See Nash and Raider, you don't learn from history. With all our medical wizardry, we assured Karen Quinlan's parent's that the ONLY thing keeping her alive were machines. Her brain had NO function we said - it can't even breath for her.

 Well a funny thing happened on the way to the outlet. She lived for 10 years after the respirator was unplugged just to show how arrogant and stupid we are. But it looks like we never learn. Now what the hell are YOU going to do if this woman mouths "water"?
Would such an incident demand this country stop and reflect on its arrogance? Are you that damn sure she has NO awareness?

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« Reply #41 on: March 20, 2005, 10:59:46 PM »
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All this talk about dogs having more rights than humans, because they get lethal injection...

I don't hear these politicians pushing for any law that would allow lethal injection for humans.

It's not about that, obviously.

but she isn't human anymore, she's just a vegitable. Let the ***** starve to death!

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« Reply #42 on: March 20, 2005, 11:01:33 PM »
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Raider, what's her state ? Is she so terminally ill that she will die some day ? Or is she so ill that she could die in a month ? :confused:


She was a normal person. Now she is confined in a bed, she has to have muscles massaged and exercised or else she gets infections, she can't communicate, she cant feed herself, she is totally dependent on others for keeping her alive. Its not so much physical illness (from my understanding) its that she has brain damage that severely limits her.

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« Reply #43 on: March 20, 2005, 11:01:52 PM »
Nuke, go easy...

It's already quite inflammitory of an issue. It doesn't require your special brand of nudging.

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« Reply #44 on: March 20, 2005, 11:02:21 PM »
Nash, maybe it does.