Shiavo case

[genozaur]

Originally posted by Raider179
She does not have a functioning brain. She is brain damaged. You do know her husband said if the family quit fighting he would donate the letover money to a charity of their choice. So please don't give me its about the money bs. As for she responds to lights and balloons and what not like I said that kind of life would suck and I would rather starve, would you?

FACT: In October, 1998, Schiavo’s attorney proposed that, if Terri’s parents would agree to her death by starvation, Schiavo would donate his inheritance to charity.  

Straight off the families website

Just one more person starved to death by the lawyers.
I wonder what all this buzz is about.  

[Raider179]

Originally posted by TweetyBird
See Nash and Raider, you don't learn from history. With all our medical wizardry, we assured Karen Quinlan's parent's that the ONLY thing keeping her alive were machines. Her brain had NO function we said - it can't even breath for her.

 Well a funny thing happened on the way to the outlet. She lived for 10 years after the respirator was unplugged just to show how arrogant and stupid we are. But it looks like we never learn. Now what the hell are YOU going to do if this woman mouths "water"?
Would such an incident demand this country stop and reflect on its arrogance? Are you that damn sure she has NO awareness?

http://www.who2.com/karenannquinlan.html

"She remained in a coma for almost 10 years in a New Jersey nursing home until her 1985 death."

She lived another 10 years as a vegetable? wow good job. I hope you didnt think that proved your argument. I still see you wont answer the question of what if you were in her place. Would you want to live like that? Its a simple question.

[Shuckins]

A beloved pet in this condition would have been mercifully allowed to expire, or have been put down, almost immediately.  Yet, because of our "compassion" we force this unfortunate woman to linger.  For fifteen years.

If the "compassion" exhibited on these boards is any indication, she may well be forced to linger for another 15.

[NUKE]

Originally posted by Shuckins
A beloved pet in this condition would have been mercifully allowed to expire, or have been put down, almost immediately.  Yet, because of our "compassion" we force this unfortunate woman to linger.  For fifteen years.

 

yeah, and we shoot horses who get broken legs too.

Maybe we should put down any human with a fatal condition, like AIDS.....just like an animal or pet.

[Raider179]

Originally posted by genozaur
Just one more person starved to death by the lawyers.
I wonder what all this buzz is about.  

Its turned political. Arent they calling the bill the Palm Sunday Compromise? This is just another issue that will divide the country thanks to our wonderful media and congress. It's turning into your either for life or your against it when that is far from how people feel about it.

[Shuckins]

Left to the laws of nature, Nuke, she would have died long ago.  She has no hope of recovery, according to every medical specialist who has physically examined her.

When would you be willing to admit that enough is enough?

[TweetyBird]

>>She lived another 10 years as a vegetable? wow good job. I hope you didnt think that proved your argument. I still see you wont answer the question of what if you were in her place. Would you want to live like that? Its a simple question.<<

What part are you missing here? The Doctors said she had NO brain function - not even primitive involuntary functions like breathing. The DOCTORS said she could not breath by herself. THE DOCTORS were WRONG. So what part did you miss? Did you miss the part the doctors weren't as sophisticated as they thought they were or the part that the will to live is stronger and more enigmatic than most know when frivously contemplated on sunny beaches with 5 caronas.

Which part did you miss?

[Toad]

Anyone done any real researching of the claims that hubby Mike beat the krap out of her and doesn't want her talking ever again?

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The main evidence comes from a bone scan taken on March 5, 1991. As Terri’s guardian, Michael Schiavo denied her family access to Terri’s records, the results of which were not made available until November, 2002. This scan indicated numerous broken bones in various stages of healing, including compressions fractures, a broken back, pelvis, ankle, bone bruises and ossifications.

Board certified radiologist Dr. Walker read the scan in 1991 and interpreted the results as abnormal, which he attributed to either an accident or earlier trauma. Based on the remodeling process of her bones, Dr. Walker stated in his deposition that a) the injuries indicated by the scan occurred on or around the time that Terri Schiavo collapsed; b) the abnormalities on the bone scan were not typical of someone suffering cardiac arrest and collapsing to the floor, and c) the fractures indicated by the bone scan are not typical of patients bedridden only thirteen months.

As recorded in Dr. Walker’s November 21, 2003 deposition, Terri might have been the victim of foul play via a blow to her body, being thrown into a sharp furniture corner, or assaulted with a blunt object
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Apparently, he also wants the body cremated immediately, no autopsy.

Things that can make you go hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm.

[Raider179]

Originally posted by TweetyBird
>>She lived another 10 years as a vegetable? wow good job. I hope you didnt think that proved your argument. I still see you wont answer the question of what if you were in her place. Would you want to live like that? Its a simple question.<<

What part are you missing here? The Doctors said she had NO brain function - not even primitive involuntary functions like breathing. The DOCTORS said she could not breath by herself. THE DOCTORS were WRONG. So what part did you miss? Did you miss the part the doctors weren't as sophisticated as they thought they were or the part that the will to live is stronger and more enigmatic than most know when frivously contemplated on sunny beaches with 5 caronas.

Which part did you miss?

I missed the part where she recovered and went on and lived anything close to a normal life.

You want to answer the question of whether you would want to live as a vegetable or be allowed to die or just want to bring up other cases?

[Nash]

Toad, how did the courts punish the husband for beating his wife?

or...

Isn't it terrible that the word of a single doctor is disregarded like this?

Isn't it funny how this has been overlooked?

And it defies logic how the Pentagon got 'xploded despite no plane hitting it.

[Toad]

Tell ya what Nash... they keep those bone scans. They show stuff pretty well; had one myself.

I believe I'd have a panel of Board Certified (BTW, this certification almost always means the guy really knows his chit) radiologists review the scan and see what they say BEFORE I pulled the plug.

If they were clear on lots of broken bones, I'd keep feeding her. I had an uncle that was "vegetative" for several years. He'd made a lot of money over the years and my aunt finally found him a place where they just didn't give up on the rehab. It was pretty intensive. He eventually popped out of it, even though initially "they" said he never would. He spent the last 3 years of his life quite sentient, speaking with his wife, children and grandkids.

So, I have a bit of a different viewpoint, I guess.

If the verdict of the Board Cert Radiologists was "maybe", I sure wouldn't let him cremate her without an autopsy. You can discount Mikey being a mean bassage if you like. Not everyone has to, though.

I mean.. if he beat her into a coma, do you want him to get away with it? All that needs doing is a competent review of the bone scan. Is that such a big deal? What.. a couple of days tops?

[TweetyBird]

>>You want to answer the question of whether you would want to live as a vegetable or be allowed to die or just want to bring up other cases?
<<

#1 vegetative state is a medical term - vegetable ISN'T

#2 whether or not I would want to live in a vegetative state or in a slum or in Florida has nothing to do with the fact or whether or not our government allows people to starve other people to death.

[Raider179]

Originally posted by Toad
Anyone done any real researching of the claims that hubby Mike beat the krap out of her and doesn't want her talking ever again?


Apparently, he also wants the body cremated immediately, no autopsy.

Things that can make you go hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm.

Is that the same Dr. Walker as this one?

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americas/3141058.stm

Cortex 'destroyed'

Mr and Mrs Schindler say their daughter would die slowly and painfully from starvation. Such a death would be a graphic and horrifying thought to most people, but Dr Walker said Mrs Schiavo simply does not feel hunger or thirst.

 
Terri Schiavo's parents say her husband has "deprived her of her dignity"
Mrs Schiavo's brain scans have not been made public but Dr Walker has followed the case closely through media reports and court records.

"The majority of her cerebral cortex - the part of the brain that thinks and feels - has been destroyed and replaced by fluid," he said.

"She doesn't have any perception, there is no reason to believe she can suffer."

Unlike a patient in a coma, Dr Walker believes there is no hope for recovery for someone in Mrs Schiavo's condition - known as permanent vegetative state - because the cerebral cortex does not regrow once destroyed.

Despite the medical term, however, video of Terri Schiavo on a website run by her parents' supporters shows her more like a baby. But this is misleading as the movements are purely reflexes, Dr Walker says.

[NUKE]

Originally posted by Shuckins
Left to the laws of nature, Nuke, she would have died long ago.  She has no hope of recovery, according to every medical specialist who has physically examined her.

When would you be willing to admit that enough is enough?

Laws of nature? So you don't believe in medical assistance for anyone?

In nature, people died from smallpox too.

[NUKE]

Originally posted by TweetyBird
>>You want to answer the question of whether you would want to live as a vegetable or be allowed to die or just want to bring up other cases?
<<

you seem to be okay living as a vegitable.