The behemoth is due to fly tomorrow

[beet1e]

Originally posted by VWE
no major U.S. airline has orderd a single 380 and untill that trend is broken the 380 will not become a success.

Bollocks. I have said (more than once) that A380 is not destined to succeed as a USA city hopper. That does not mean it won't succeed in the wider world, which indeed it will. Pull your head back from the map of the world so that your nose is 2 inches above the map of the USA. Then start looking at continents like Asia and Australia...

[Holden McGroin]

Originally posted by GScholz
As for the B787 getting more orders than the A380 ... naaaaaw, you think so? It's a much smaller and cheaper aircraft you dolts. You'd have to sell 3 B787's to match the passenger capacity of a single A380.

But with the 787's you can land in three different cities simultaneously and at the same time.

[Skydancer]

Guys it flew already shouldn't this thread be dead?

[Holden McGroin]

Originally posted by GScholz
Yes, which is why a comparison between the B787 and the A380 is completely irrelevant. Compare the B787 with the A330 instead. A much more serious comparison.

You didn't get the point.  

Boeing's business plan says the market for the smaller plane reaching more and diverse airfeilds was the way to go.  They felt that someone might wish to fly from Milwaukie to Munich directly in 7 or 8 hours and only 2 airport hassles instead of going Milwaukie - Detroit - Frankfurt - Munich in 14 hours, with four airport hassles.

We will see which mix of A/C actually is correct in a few years.

[Fishu]

Originally posted by VWE
Just this week, Air Canada and Air India announced a total of 82 new orders for Boeing jets - including 41 787s - taking Boeing's Dreamliner order book to 237./B]

...and what does this have to do with the major US airlines?
As far as I know, Air Canada is a canadian airline, which isn't part of the US and apparently Air India is an indian airline, which is way across the big pond.

All the talk was about the major US airlines.
And to repeat myself, my point still is that the A380 selling figures in the US likely has nothing to do with the plane itself, but due to the downfall of the US airlines.
A downfall which also seems to be reflected in the 787 orders by the US airlines.

Did I make it clear yet?

[GRUNHERZ]

Canada has airplanes?

[VWE]

...and what does this have to do with the major US airlines?

Nothing... you said that Boeing isn't selling many 787's... what was your figure, 10? You only missed the mark by a couple hundred aircraft.

And I never compared the 787 to the -bus for volume just a different buisness plan like McGroin figured out.

And the -bus is only what... 4 billion over budget? Now they only have to sell an extra 50 aircraft to make up for that.

Only time will tell, but I don't see the passenger volume these behemoths are sopposed to fill.

American Airlines   
Delta Air Lines   
Southwest Airlines   
United Airlines   
Japan Airlines   
Northwest Airlines   
Deutsche Lufthansa   
Air France   
All Nippon Airways   
US Airways

10 largest airlines in the world, of course 6 are based in the U.S. and good luck surviving without selling your kitchen sink to any of them.

[NUKE]

It's funny......."Europe" combines it's resources and produces a plane only very  slightly larger than a 40 year old American plane and they get all excited about it........and it has yet to fly one paying passenger.

It has a long way to go before it will ever turn a profit. Time will tell, but the hype is just that......hype.

[Fishu]

Originally posted by NUKE
It's funny......."Europe" combines it's resources and produces a plane only very  slightly larger than a 40 year old American plane

Sounds like you're on the trolling mood...

~540,000 tons versus ~400,000 tons MTOW doesn't sound 'very slightly larger' to me.

[GRUNHERZ]

Originally posted by Fishu
Sounds like you're on the trolling mood...

~540,000 tons versus ~400,000 tons MTOW doesn't sound 'very slightly larger' to me.

So europe builds a terribly overweight whale and you are proud of it?

[Fishu]

Originally posted by GRUNHERZ
So europe builds a terribly overweight whale and you are proud of it?

Proud? why should I be proud? I had nothing to do with the thing.
Are you proud of the B747/777/787, even though you had nothing to do with those?
If you are, then you better get a reality check.

You're such a troll too...  no other reason how someone could make up such a reply based on mine.
My reply, which was just about figures and nothing else.

[NUKE]

Originally posted by Fishu
Sounds like you're on the trolling mood...

~540,000 tons versus ~400,000 tons MTOW doesn't sound 'very slightly larger' to me.

well, it does too me.  The physical dimensions of the plane are very slightly larger than a 747, which is 40 years old.  Not a big achievment no matter how you look at it.

[Fishu]

Originally posted by NUKE
well, it does too me.  The physical dimensions of the plane are very slightly larger than a 747, which is 40 years old.  Not a big achievment no matter how you look at it.

Are you an engineer who knows what it needs to make a plane with a quorter larger MTOW?

[NUKE]

Originally posted by Fishu
Are you an engineer who knows what it needs to make a plane with a quorter larger MTOW?

Are you an engineer who says that the AB380 is a 40 year advancment in technology from the 747?

Almost no advancement from a 40 year old design.....just a little bigger with more powerful engines. And the 380 has not even flown one paying passenger...... a long way from any "breakthrough"

[Sixpence]

Originally posted by Toad
Anyone have a link to the NTSB report on the loss of F-GFKC?

ok, I know a subliminal message when I see one. I see KFC, that makes me hungry, I don't care what time it is, I am firing up the grill. Damn you!