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Offline dedalos

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« Reply #30 on: May 04, 2005, 11:44:54 AM »
Here is an example of the change.  A couple of years or so ago I was in a squad with a few people.  They where all fighters.  They fought for the war, they defended bases, they furballed, etc.  After I left that squad, everytime I met them and especialy their leader, I had my hands full and most of the times I died.  There was no runing.  If you met them, you had a fight.  Their leader used to be known about how competitive he was.

If you meet them now, don't really expect a fight.  The focus is on taking the base.  They will HO, auger, gang, run and repeat until the oposition is gone, and then they will vulch for ever.  They come in in huge numbers and if you actualy manage to kill a couple of them, they give up and go somewhere else.  They can no longer be found is Spit9s or any pure fighter.  51s, TEMPS, and enything else that can run.

Is it right, wrong, don't know.  It is a change for sure.  All I can say is, if you want to win the war, don't you want it to be because you "WON" and not because you stole or horded a couple of undefended bases?
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« Reply #31 on: May 04, 2005, 11:50:31 AM »
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that has been the JB motto since back in AW, just an FYI ; )



as far as gameplay, i think it is a bunch of factors. some posted here:

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Lets face it, if you are flying one of these birds, and are of average skill level (by definition most of the players) and allow yourself to get low or slow (god forbid both!) you are dead meat
as a generalization yes. you can be doing great, taking a dora down to full flaps, and really tearing it up, but there will always be that la7 or spit IX to come cherry pick you

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The unmitigated gall of some people amazes me. BnZ'in in a BnZ fighter? Everyone should turnfight everything. That's the way it was in WWII.
along the same lines... it is annoying to be a spit or in my case a 109E and have that la7 or pony just zoom down, then back up like a misshaped yo-yo on a giant string.

on the flip side of that it is more annoying for that spit / 109e to complain to you in the fast plane that you don't "fight" you ARE fighting, to the strengths of the fast plane, not it's weaknesses. if i wanted to take a 262 and hover @ 160 on the deck, you;d say i was flying it dumb. if i were to take a spit5 to 25k and chase jugs and ponies around you'd say im flying it dumb.

 


the biggest problem i think is the instant reward society we have been designing in the world. people are getting greedier, more demanding, and easier. they want things their way, or they get upset. it is in the liberal ways of parenting nowadays. it is better to give the child what they want than to possibly "emotionally injure" them with dissapointment.

there is no "fat kid on the bench" in youth sports anymore, because he has to be allowed to play, even though he might be more worthless on the playing field than a lump of manure. that gives that child a false sence of ability, no matter what the activity is, and then that child expects to be able to do all things as well as everyone else.

flash forward to years later, this lump of a person actually thinks they can do anything, and have been given "help" and artifical accolades for so long they think the real world will be as nice. when someone comes along and does a task better than them, making them look bad, they get upset, and demand to be given the same respect / reward as the other person who can do "it" even though they can't.

this has also rubbed off on the parents, and much of society. gimme gimme gimme, now now now. i want my dinner instantly, and i will cause trouble at mcdonalds if my food isn't instant, and perfect. if a company doesn't make me a healthy food that is instant, i will sue the food makers for making me fat. it CAN'T be my fault, because i have been told im "special" and "perfect just the way i am".





with mentality like that propagating, everyone want's everyone else to fly "their" way, and of course everyone else is "wrong" in the way they play the game.

even the people who dont believe this new age crap get sucked into the world of it. here's voice A B and C whining up a tornado about how their gameplay or whatever is "right" and "the best" now voice D has to speak a little louder just to be even heard. of course with the dissenting view brough out, the tornado becomes a hurricane trying to drown out anything else, because they have been taught if they make more of a fuss, are louder, and more demanding, eventually their opposition will just give in to shut them up.




anyway i rambled on here, but i think you understand what my thoughts on the topic are.

it's not the gameplay per say that is the root problem
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« Reply #32 on: May 04, 2005, 01:01:18 PM »
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everyone want's everyone else to fly "their" way, and of course everyone else is "wrong" in the way they play the game.

I try really hard not to use terms like right and wrong. There are different ways of playing and I don't expect everyone to like my way.

The thought of a "fighter town" approach I think has merit, but I don't think that the DA is it. There are actually folks in there practicing and having 1v1/2v2/3v3 fights that should be allowed to take place without a furball encroaching on them.

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« Reply #33 on: May 04, 2005, 01:25:13 PM »
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Hoarach - what was your gameplay ID, two years ago?


My ID was Canaris two years ago.


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« Reply #34 on: May 04, 2005, 01:27:07 PM »
Edbert - Your right, MA is definately late war orientated now. About every other plane you come acoss is now a Lala, Dora or Pony, and usually at very high alts to give them the vultch/run/cherry pick opportunity.

Maybe T.O.D. will change things, but not holding my breath.
 
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« Reply #35 on: May 04, 2005, 04:16:25 PM »
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Edbert - Your right, MA is definately late war orientated now.  


It always was. The very first AH plane was the P-51 D.

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« Reply #36 on: May 04, 2005, 07:31:37 PM »
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Second, so what is it in your opinion that is pathetic?
"what's the problem" ?


The Electricity Mentality: The compulsion to find the path of least resistance. (and complain when you fail to achieve it)

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Look for new levels of FUN! Like.... see 30 guys circling a field, everyone diving in to get the poor souls trying to up. See that there is ONE fighter hangar up. Blast it and be popular

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For a while I was staying at about 3k off the deck flying into certain death just for the excitement, only to have a mustang try to cherry me, so I turn into him, roll onto his 6 in enough time to watch him fly away and not look back. Seems like for most folks, if you show the tiniest hint that you won't be an easy pick they are out of the area like a fat kid at a dodgeball game.

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Back then people didnt go to insane amounts of altitude like I see today where people go 18k+ to go 1 sector away or over their own base. I also see alot more people running from 1v1 fights or 2v2 and run for help. Ive also seen many more and more people using the ho tatic which gets really annoying rather than trying to use ACM. Also more and more people are flying BnZ fighters that I have noticed or would rather BnZ than turn. Ive seen more and more spits of all models BnZing, 109s of all models, 51s, 38s, 190s, la7s, yaks, and even hurris BnZing especially some of those fighters should be turn fighting suchs as the hurris and spits and even the 109F.

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the MA is predominantly a late war arena. Lets face it, if you are flying one of these birds, and are of average skill level (by definition most of the players) and allow yourself to get low or slow (god forbid both!) you are dead meat if you run into an earlier or higher aircraft. The end result being La7s/Doras/Ponies that wont get under 400mph for any reason whatsoever.

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I see a large percentage of the population that seems to only concern themselves with base-capture. I'm not saying there's anything wrong with that but when that becomes the majority mentality then finding "good fights" is going to be harder.

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I see no benefit to my enjoyment from killing hangars (unless it is to exterminate those fuggin roaches...LOL!) all dead hangars cause is one of two events...nothing to shoot at or the inevitable approach of a dozen or more 15K Spits/Ponies/Doras/ElGays from the nearest base, neither of which add to the fun much in my opinion.

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Here is an example of the change. A couple of years or so ago I was in a squad with a few people. They where all fighters. They fought for the war, they defended bases, they furballed, etc. After I left that squad, everytime I met them and especialy their leader, I had my hands full and most of the times I died. There was no runing. If you met them, you had a fight. If you meet them now, don't really expect a fight. The focus is on taking the base. They will HO, auger, gang, run and repeat until the oposition is gone, and then they will vulch for ever. They come in in huge numbers and if you actualy manage to kill a couple of them, they give up and go somewhere else. They can no longer be found is Spit9s or any pure fighter. 51s, TEMPS, and enything else that can run.

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Your right, MA is definately late war orientated now. About every other plane you come acoss is now a Lala, Dora or Pony, and usually at very high alts to give them the vultch/run/cherry pick opportunity.

All of the above and much more...

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« Reply #37 on: May 04, 2005, 07:50:21 PM »
rolling planeset.....

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« Reply #38 on: May 04, 2005, 07:53:10 PM »
Im sorry, but this game is great to me. After you havent played it since ah1 almost 1 year ago. Everything is perfect. I love how its harder to hit planes now, and how when you hit an aircraft particles, come off, and hit your plane. OMG I could talk for hours how I love aceshigh. Its a great game, and now, my days are never boring when knowing you can play a few good hours of aceshigh. HTC good job, and please wait awhile before going to ah3! so I wont have to upgrade again xP.;)

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« Reply #39 on: May 04, 2005, 08:17:33 PM »
Problem is jetb123 the 'eye candy' is being introduced at the expense of other aspects of the game.

Look at the trees, no-one thought to check the scale before they introduced them?
So we have 200ft+ high grandaddy redwoods, some right at the ends of runways.
Freaking grass you could hide a whole division behind!!!
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« Reply #40 on: May 04, 2005, 08:50:02 PM »
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Problem is jetb123 the 'eye candy' is being introduced at the expense of other aspects of the game.

Look at the trees, no-one thought to check the scale before they introduced them?
So we have 200ft+ high grandaddy redwoods, some right at the ends of runways.
Freaking grass you could hide a whole division behind!!!
:lol :rofl
True.

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« Reply #41 on: May 04, 2005, 09:34:04 PM »
The game itself ie: modeling, graphics, etc... are great. HT has put out a beautiful product.

Some of you are not getting it. It's the gameplay that sucks. Anyone who has been here a couple of years and enjoys A2A combat knows what I mean.

How can we fix it?

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« Reply #42 on: May 04, 2005, 09:38:12 PM »
Dipstick - If only WE could fix it.

But as was shown with the side imbalance, WE wouldn't fix it, so WE got the ENV limiter.

As for the eyecandy - Graphics do not make a great game, they enhance it. Some of the best games ever made were back about 5-10 years ago.
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« Reply #43 on: May 05, 2005, 04:20:21 AM »
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The game itself ie: modeling, graphics, etc... are great. HT has put out a beautiful product.

Some of you are not getting it. It's the gameplay that sucks. Anyone who has been here a couple of years and enjoys A2A combat knows what I mean.

How can we fix it?



The gameplay does suck I agree, that's why there is a good number of us that quit playing a long time ago and waiting on TOD if that's even still in development. As for the graphics affraid those suck to, AH2 was a huge dissapointment in that department imho. Was expecting alot more then AH1 with skins and a few effects.

Dosn't take long to realise that all the new planes,vehicles,towns,trees what ever etc don't make an ounce of difference.


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« Reply #44 on: May 05, 2005, 04:44:58 AM »
damn i just want to shoot something out of the sky with out lancs coming and carpet bombing the hole dang map you can have 20-30 gvs on a base and if the fighters cant take them out they think we cheeted and send thier bombers in to whip out the whole world thats ok cause it takes them bombers to beat us that cool