Gameplay sucks anymore...

[Morpheus]

Is furball underground still up and running?

Yes.

[Edbert1]

Originally posted by Simaril
Not trying to be smart, just asking

If Fighter Town were allowed to interfere with "winning the war" or base capture you are right. Not only would it upset gameplay but it would allow one type of player to mess up the fun the other type of player was or was trying to have. That is the point I think this thread is about in the first place.

As long as FT bases did not affect resets I don't think it would have an effect on the strategic guys.

RPS has been dicussed and dismissed, it still would not address the complaints by nimble aircraft that faster aircraft run away. But again, those complaints will never end and are not the core subject of this thread. The core problem is when a group of people seem to get off on ruining other people's fun, and I am somewhat shocked to see an AH trainer advocating it i must say.

I also don't think that making an all new arena is the answer either, we have the DA/CT and they dont get used very much, far too easy to step on someone elses toes who may be practising 1v1 2v2 etc. Which brings me back to that point about one guy messing up the fun the other is having.

I dont claim to know the answer, I'm just throwing out ideas. I think EZTGT hit it, we need to learn to respect those who like other aspects of the game. Driving 3 flights of B24 over a 1K furball to pork the bases seldom results in a capture, it merely disrupts other people's fun. Just when the call for showing respect came out and there was talk of leading by example...someone called the waaaahmbulance and it went straight to the gutter.

[Clifra Jones]

Originally posted by Simaril

Assuming that fighter town isnt happening in the near future, I guess I'm missing something -- when I'm in the mood for some furballing, I go to the Da and find the base with DAR. It's not 25v25, but if the guys who want "all furball, all the time" jsut get together on a day or time -- it COULD be 25v25.


Not trying to be smart, just asking

Which is all well and good but if you only have 1-2 hours in a night to fly it just isn't the same. I do go to the DA at times but unless it's with my squadies a lot of the time it just not the same.
There's not the sense of team you get in the MA flying with your countrymen/squadies. I'm not a great stick but a lot of times the guys (not a slam) in the DA are not either. I like going up against guys like the BK's and other quality pilots. I don't mind getting my tail shot off by them. But I want to be able to re-up a plane and get back into the fight and not have to fly 2 sectors to do so only to find that the fight is gone because one side doesn't want to fly for 15 minutes to get there.

Scheduling a furball is fine. My biggest beef is with all those who go out of their way to AVOID the fight and those who do whatever it takes to supress the fight. For what? To take a base they are just going to abandon as soon as it's done? Many a time I have been with a group that has taken a base only to go somewhere else and leave 3-4 of us to try and defend it against the incomming enemy fighters.

I could go on and on but that would be pointless. As pointless as these discussions always are.

[Steve]

May be you can take a look on this problem from the another point of view.  I fly La-7 almost always. And I often avoid even 1v1 fight with Hurry or Zeke. You think that I run, but it is not correct. I fly away.

For the love of God why?  La7 eats these planes alive.  Although i'm just recently returned to AH, I'd salivate in my 51 cockpit over getting any plane 1v1.  I'd be drooling if I got  a zeke or hurri 1v1.

You need to work on your vertical game if you can't easily dictate a fight to a zeke or hurri, no offense intended.

[dedalos]

Originally posted by Clifra Jones
Total agreement Mars, when those rare furball (you now the ones where you can re-up and get back in the fight, the ones that those of ius who are no thte best sticks but are not afraid to get shot down really like) happen it never fails that some bunch of heros will come along and ruin it.

How would you feel if this were the case?

1) triple the lethality of flack for bombers. Thus making it much harder to pork a field with one flight of B24s from 20k.
2) speaking of flack, how about more of it. again principaly aimed at bombers.
3) harden the hangers more, thus making is harder to kill the F/V/BH's.

No you say, well if something like this was done for just one map then you might know how we feel.

I know this is evil but hey:
4) Set up a mission for 5 to 10 guys in 190s to clean up the ord off from all airfields 3 to 4 sactors deep.  It sould not take more than 15 20 mins and we will improve our attack scores too .   Maybe then they will figure out how we feel.



Man do I feel dirty now

[Stang]

Originally posted by DamnedRen
You're part of the minority 10%.  

The minority 10% is made up of mostly hard core vets who have been flying online for years, and realize that the thrill of the fight is what keeps us going, not blasting toolsheds and milking undefended fields.  The other 90% loves to do this and thinks aerial frisbee golf (base capture) is what the game is all about.  It's not.  

If you don't realize that, keep your head in the sand and keep encouraging no0bs to fly in a chicken sh*t horde mentality style.

La7's suck

[Stang]

Originally posted by Steve

May be you can take a look on this problem from the another point of view.  I fly La-7 almost always. And I often avoid even 1v1 fight with Hurry or Zeke. You think that I run, but it is not correct. I fly away.

[/B]

OMFG!

Steve, who posted this?  

Uh, lets see... go vertical, rope him?  Pull a double immelman on merge and come over the top as he runs out of E?  

The la7 utterly DOMINATES those two planes, and you fly away?

WTF?

Maybe this is just a case of acm ignorance, I don't know.

[Stang]

Originally posted by Vad
May be you can take a look on this problem from the another point of view.

I fly La-7 almost always. And I often avoid even 1v1 fight with  Hurry or Zeke. You think that I run, but it is not correct. I fly away. I am also looking for a good fight, and it is not interesting for me to turn with the early war planes. BnZ against Hurry is boring, TnB with Zeke is stupid.
So, I am looking for late war planes like Dora or Mustang. Fortunately,  there are a lot of them, and looks like I enjoy this game much more than you.

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Ah, found it.  You don't turn with them you pup!  Use you huge E advantage and climb rate to utterly pwn the guy.  It's very simple and if the hurri or zeke is alone, he is a total dead man.

[SkyLab]

Originally posted by Stang
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Ah, found it.  You don't turn with them you pup!  Use you huge E advantage and climb rate to utterly pwn the guy.  It's very simple and if the hurri or zeke is alone, he is a total dead man.

I give up.

What does "pwn" stand for?

(i am afraid i just set myself up for some abuse)

[beet1e]

Originally posted by Stang
The minority 10% is made up of mostly hard core vets who have been flying online for years, and realize that the thrill of the fight is what keeps us going, not blasting toolsheds and milking undefended fields.  The other 90% loves to do this and thinks aerial frisbee golf (base capture) is what the game is all about.  It's not.  

If you don't realize that, keep your head in the sand and keep encouraging no0bs to fly in a chicken sh*t horde mentality style.

Well, maybe HTC have their heads in the sand, because their website states

Capturing territory through the use of air, land and sea power is the objective of Aces High.

Maybe you should drop hitech an email to tell him how much you think his game sucks.

AH help site reference: http://www.hitechcreations.com/frameset1.html?helphom.html

[dedalos]

Originally posted by beet1e
Well, maybe HTC have their heads in the sand, because their website states . . . . .  Maybe you should drop hitech an email to tell him how much you think his game sucks.

AH help site reference: http://www.hitechcreations.com/frameset1.html?helphom.html

I don't think that the WEB page says anything about what keeps us going.

As far as sending him an email, well, he reads the BBS.  But he likes to eat.  90% of the subscribers can provide a lot more food than the 10%.

[Stang]

Originally posted by beet1e
Well, maybe HTC have their heads in the sand, because their website states  Maybe you should drop hitech an email to tell him how much you think his game sucks.

AH help site reference: http://www.hitechcreations.com/frameset1.html?helphom.html

LOL Beet, I love the game, I just don't like the horde mentality of base capture above all.  I think we can agree on that.

[DipStick]

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For me, the players in here at that time were a lot different than they are now, and it's easy to see that if you have perspective. This HO, run away, fly the easiest and most uber a/c in the inventory, dive down from 25k and auger, was not as prevalent then as it is now. I don't know if the noobs are teenagers or not but, there is a definite difference in player type.

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Back in the day (an old-man term) you could engage in a fight without having 10-20 guys show up 10-15K above you all of a sudden.

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It's not about respect. There is a major deficiancy in the current AH setup.

1) Bombers always have a place in the MA to bomb.
2) Toolshedders always have a place in the MA to toolsheds.
3) GV have some great GV battle areas on some of the maps and have spawn points that can lead them directly into the action.
4) People that like to furball, have to hope there is a good fight between their country and another in a decent proximity to warrent spending the time. furballs happen rarely and not at all on some maps. For the high energy fighter types this game is a let down. Yes we can find fun doing other things, but we are still not doing whay we truely enjoy as 1-3 are and can do any time.

Those that say this is not a problem don't really understand the issue and most likely won't until they end up looking for what is missing.

If you think this game is not missing anything then good for you, but that doesn't mean there is not a problem.

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when those rare furball (you now the ones where you can re-up and get back in the fight, the ones that those of ius who are no thte best sticks but are not afraid to get shot down really like) happen it never fails that some bunch of heros will come along and ruin it.

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I like going up against guys like the BK's and other quality pilots. I don't mind getting my tail shot off by them. But I want to be able to re-up a plane and get back into the fight and not have to fly 2 sectors to do so only to find that the fight is gone because one side doesn't want to fly for 15 minutes to get there.

Scheduling a furball is fine. My biggest beef is with all those who go out of their way to AVOID the fight and those who do whatever it takes to supress the fight. For what? To take a base they are just going to abandon as soon as it's done? Many a time I have been with a group that has taken a base only to go somewhere else and leave 3-4 of us to try and defend it against the incomming enemy fighters.

Please ignore Ren. He adds nothing worthwhile to the discussion.

[beet1e]

Originally posted by Stang
LOL Beet, I love the game, I just don't like the horde mentality of base capture above all.  I think we can agree on that.

Yes, I hated the hordes, which is why I suggested disabling the missun™ editor. I tried a few missuns in my early days, but quickly realised that they weren't about having a coordinated force; it was just numerical supremacy smashdowns. And with as many as there were online, I think the bardar could have been turned off too. All those two things did was to fuel the hordes.

I never ever flew the Big-5 in the last 2 years I played, so I was gobsmacked when I heard guys were planning to quit if they couldn't have a P51D or LA7 for a couple of hours.

But I did like the concept of base capture. It gave the combat some meaning - an objective. But in the last 6 months I was around, I pretty much gave up on that too. I had no squad, and most folks didn't seem to want to work as a team. Then there would be all that crap about "I'll fly how you want if you give me your CC number" or "I fly for me, not for you".   Bad though that was, the ENY whining was the hardest thing to bear. And I knew my time was nearing the end.

[Vad]

Originally posted by Stang
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  It's very simple and if the hurri or zeke is alone, he is a total dead man.

Exactly. And I fly away because of that. It is boring to use E-fighting against them. Some times it is fun to TnB with Zero on 150 Mph with full flaps but in this case you are dead man with 90% probability.

If you killed Zero using e-fight ypu will get something like: "Dweeb, La-gay, cherrypicker, alt monkey!!! !"
If you killed (or were killed) Zero in TnB you can expect: "Moron, learn how to fly! Where they have found so stupid dweebs!"

When I kill or was killed by the 109, 190 or p51, at least I get nothing in responce. Or just .

I am happy with that for now.