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« Reply #165 on: May 12, 2005, 10:33:04 PM »
HAVE U EVER WONDERED IF GOD WAS ENERGY...(not that star wars crap either)

IF god always has, always is, and always will BE,


AND...

ENERGY IS THE OLNY THING THAT CANNOT BE CREATED OR DESTRYOD

COULD THERE BE A CONNECTION????


I also think humans need a "GOD"  that tells them how to live
(could have been created by humans)

IMAGINE no one having a religion...people wouldn't obey basic things like ppl will be killing eachother and stealing... no one will think this is wrong... no one would care that they did something wrong because there is no punishment NOR reward for being good in liffe


the world would be caios

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« Reply #166 on: May 13, 2005, 12:30:26 AM »
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Originally posted by SPADZ25
IMAGINE no one having a religion...people wouldn't obey basic things like ppl will be killing eachother and stealing... no one will think this is wrong... no one would care that they did something wrong because there is no punishment NOR reward for being good in liffe


the world would be caios

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Sorry, but that statement could be said of those claiming the existence of God as well as those that do not.
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« Reply #167 on: May 13, 2005, 12:41:32 AM »
Einstein had an opinion about God. Anyone guess what Einstein has said about God?

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« Reply #168 on: May 13, 2005, 12:50:07 AM »
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If our universe is the MA........I wonder what the beta musta been like.Is TOD the afterlife???


  Not the afterlife, but more like hell for the sinners in the MA. :D I can think of quite a few I would like to see cast into the eternal damnation known in theory as TOD.
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« Reply #169 on: May 13, 2005, 05:00:41 AM »
Einstein on God:

"From the viewpoint of a Jesuit Priest I am, of course, and have always been an atheist."

"I do not believe in a personal God and I have never denied this but have expressed it clearly. If something is in me which can be called religion than it is the unbounded admiration for the structure of the world so far as our science can reveal it."

"I cannot imagine a God who rewards and punishes the objects of his creation, whose purposes are modeled after our own -- a God, in short, who is but a reflection of human frailty. Neither can I believe that the individual survives the death of his body, although feeble souls harbor such thoughts through fear or ridiculous egotism."

"I do not believe in the immortality of the individual, and I consider ethics to be an exclusively human concern with no superhuman authority behind it."

"If people are good only because they fear punishment, and hope for a reward, then we are a sorry lot indeed."
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« Reply #170 on: May 13, 2005, 05:54:05 AM »
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move back five spaces and google for your punishment.

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« Reply #171 on: May 13, 2005, 08:00:43 AM »
Ive been sitting here reading this entire thread, and I have to say....this is a keeper. I think some of the smartest, funniest people in the universe can be found on this board. You guys are the best....even you .. well, n/m....I'll just leave it at that.:rofl

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« Reply #172 on: May 13, 2005, 08:08:04 AM »
Einstein on God:

"Certain it is that a conviction, akin to religious feeling, of the rationality and intelligibility of the world lies behind all scientific work of a higher order. The firm belief, which is bound up with deep feeling, in a superior mind revealing himself in the world of experience, represents my conception of God, which may, therefore be described in common parlance as `pantheistic' (Spinoza)."

"My religion consists of a humble admiration of the illimitable superior Spirit who reveals himself in the slight details we are able to perceive with our frail and feeble minds. The deeply emotional conviction of the presence of a superior reasoning Power, which is revealed in the incomprehensible universe, forms my idea of God"

"You will hardly find one among the profounder sort of scientific minds without a peculiar religious feeling of his own . . . .His religious feeling takes the form of a rapturous amazement at the harmony of natural law, which reveals an intelligence of such superiority that, compared with it, all the systematic thinking and acting of human beings is an utterly insignificant reflection"

"I'm not an atheist and I don't think I can call myself a pantheist. We are in the position of a little child entering a huge library filled with books in many different languages. The child knows someone must have written those books. It does not know how. The child dimly suspects a mysterious order in the arrangement of the books but doesn't know what it is. That, it seems to me, is the attitude of even the most intelligent human being toward God. We see a universe marvellously arranged and obeying certain laws, but only dimly understand these laws. Our limited minds cannot grasp the mysterious force that moves the constellations. I am fascinated by Spinoza's pantheism, but admire even more his contributions to modern thought because he is the first philosopher to deal with the soul and the body as one, not two separate things "

"But, on the other hand, everyone who is seriously involved in the pursuit of science becomes convinced that a spirit is manifest in the laws of the Universe-a spirit vastly superior to that of man, and one in the face of which we with our modest powers must feel humble. In this way the pursuit of science leads to a religious feeling of a special sort, which is indeed quite different from the religiosity of someone more naive."

Einstein did believe in a superior intelligence, but he did not believe in a "personal" God who concerns himself with the "petty" matters of mankind. He believed that the universe was God's perfect creation.
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« Reply #173 on: May 13, 2005, 09:29:05 AM »
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Always thought religion causes more problems in the world today and throughout history then anything.  Good reason during the time the church ruled England it was refered to as the "Dark Ages"

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« Reply #174 on: May 13, 2005, 09:43:52 AM »
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Originally posted by NUKE
This is not a religious debate, so please refrain from that. This is a philosophical question.

Why did God create man?

God had created angels and all of the universe. Have you ever wondered why God had the desire to create man? It seems like God would have no needs or a need to create man for any reason.

If God is all knowing, like I believe, he must have known that man would wind up sinning against his laws and would require his intervention in order to avoid eternal damnation, hell,  which God must have created knowing that Lucifer and some men would end up going to.

So why create man? Just curious if anyone has a good answer for that. Are we like his beloved pets?



Muhehehee wait few more years and then you will face women priests and you will have to appologize for sutch silly question like "Why God created men".

Anyway i, as most of atheist belive, that men were beta version of women.

Edit: but what i realy do not understand is fact, that men isnt hermafrodit.
Coz if god were about to create men, why he should create something what can not reproduce itself.

Thats weird theme.
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« Reply #175 on: May 13, 2005, 09:45:54 AM »
For those of you who find it hard to believe the physics theory "nihilo nihil", that something can come from nothing, what materials did God use when he said "Let there be light".

If there were materials hanging around for God to use, who made them?
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« Reply #176 on: May 13, 2005, 09:48:13 AM »
While it's all very interesting and commendable debate. I'm afraid my view is that God did not create man.

In fact man created God. Actually not one God but quite a few.

End of debate. Sorry.

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« Reply #177 on: May 13, 2005, 10:55:58 AM »
not in fact, in opinion.  Which is fine.
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« Reply #178 on: May 13, 2005, 11:03:10 AM »
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Thanks bustr.

I guess the experiment verified that engery can be converted to matter, but that the conservation of matter and energy is constant.

Therefore, matter has not been proven to have been created from nothing.



ahh so you say that it hasnt been proven while you arent able to proven us your god.


Muheheee... this seems to be an proper circle.

Can i tell you story about lighting storm and anger of gods ? :D

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« Reply #179 on: May 13, 2005, 03:19:46 PM »
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OK, lets step back a sec.

Prove there is a god?
Drop preconceptions, try thought experiment.

IF a god existed, and it sought companionship of beings which FREELY CHOSE to be "friends" with it, COULD it provide incontrovertable proof? The combination of great power and proven existance would cause choice to be warped by self preservation instincts.

Second, if freely chosen companionship was the goal, the deity would have to allow choice . If there was no freedom to choose, because of divine intervention to prevent evil, the entire purpose of the exercise would be defeated. Therefore, in this thought experiment, an all powerful god could rationally allow evil choices in its world.





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I don't really want to quote myself, but since the question came up twice in the same thread I guess it's justified.

If you consider the question theoretically, and for the sake of argument briefly grant me that there was a God, how  could it both provide proof of its existance AND still allow freedom of choice without duress?


I really cant see an answer to that, but I'm willing to learn...
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