Turning The Tables George Galloway

[NUKE]

Originally posted by Thrawn
Only when you twist the context like you did.



I enter into debate all the time...ya know like I just did.  So why are you lying about it?

Explain how I twisted the context.

He said the number one priority of the US for the last 60 years was to control persian gulf resources. Do you agree with his statement?

[Nash]

Originally posted by GRUNHERZ
Anyway lets catch me up with ome direct answers from momus.

1) Do yiu think defeating commuimism was more important (goal, priority, etc)  than gulf oil for US foreign policy post ww2?

2) Excepting israel, Do you think that the main  reason the USA cares about the mid east is because of oil?

What's that?

You mutilate one sentence in his post, get bent out of shape about it, ignore everything else he said, and want to move on with your own questions - unrelated to anything he said?

How's about just backing up and responding to everything else he said?

[NUKE]

Originally posted by Nash
NO HE FRICKEN DID NOT.

yes he did.

[Nash]

Originally posted by NUKE
He said the number one priority of the US for the last 60 years was to control persian gulf resources. Do you agree with his statement?

Again, he didn't say that, Nuke.

Use his exact quote if you want to talk about it.

[GRUNHERZ]

Nash stop being a tard.

I think i may have mixed uop nukes and momus posts, so im asking momus to clear up some questions that may be at source of my misinterpretation.

[Thrawn]

Originally posted by GRUNHERZ
1) Do yiu think defeating commuimism was more important (goal, priority, etc)  than gulf oil for US foreign policy post ww2?

I think that defeating communism was more important than control over middle-east oil.  I think that the US government felt that control over middle-east oil was the most important way they could defeat communism.


Most important goal vs most important methodology of reaching that goal.

[Hangtime]

Originally posted by GRUNHERZ
Hmm, yiou guys might be right, It seems i got nuke's and momus post mixed up, or was it nukes reststes of momus posts and nash bickering with nuke.

Anyway lets catch me up with ome direct answers from momus.

1) Do yiu think defeating commuimism was more important (goal, priority, etc)  than gulf oil for US foreign policy post ww2?

2) Excepting israel, Do you think that the main  reason the USA cares about the mid east is because of oil?

Fer my part..

1. Yes. Oil didn't become a pressing cold war issue till the 70's. By then, both sides were entrenched, and the oil fields were a big board game piece.

2. Today; yup. No other reason to 'rescue ******* royalty' in Kuwait other than oil.. Israel has demonstrated it can take care of itself.

[NUKE]

Originally posted by Nash
Again, he didn't say that, Nuke.

Use his exact quote if you want to talk about it.

Originally posted by Momus--
Now it is entirely your right to fly in the face of reality and in the face of sixty years of your own political history during which time successive US governments have made control of the resources of the persian gulf their number one strategic priority.

 

What part of number one strategic  priority do you not understand?

I have quoted him at leat 4 times in this thread. Can you offer anything that backs up his simpleton comment?

I'd like to hear from you, Nash. Do you feel that the number one priority of the US for the last 60 years has been to control persian gulf resources?

[Nash]

So the source of your misinterpretation was really communism and Isreal, two things that he wasn't even talking about, and you want to ignore what he was saying in order to to discuss them?

I would think that fair play dictates that, after getting Momus' argument so mesed up, and upon realizing it, would rather want to discus what he really did say.

I know how much you love to talk about communism Grun, but really...

[NUKE]

Momus made a stand. He said that the number one stategic priority of the US for the past 60 years has been to control the persian gulf's resources.

Since that is untrue, Nash, Momus, Thrawn and Torgue are all preoven to be simpleton followers, which is even worse than being a simpleton.

[Nash]

Originally posted by NUKE
What part of number one strategic  priority do you not understand?

"...number one priority..."

"...number one strategic priority..."

Do a word count if you still can't see the difference. As for my part? I'm satisfied with my understanding of what Momus said. I'm getting bored of this, frankly.

[Momus--]

Originally posted by GRUNHERZ
Hmm, yiou guys might be right, It seems i got nuke's and momus post mixed up, or was it nukes reststes of momus posts and nash bickering with nuke.

Anyway lets catch me up with ome direct answers from momus.

1) Do yiu think defeating commuimism was more important (goal, priority, etc)  than gulf oil for US foreign policy post ww2?

I would argue that one of the main keys to containing and so far as possible combating the USSR was to maintain the gulf region within the US sphere of influence. The behaviour of the Saudis in the 1980s was consistent with the relationship that the US had sought to develop since the end of WW2. The effect that the depression in the oil price had on the USSR's economy is a matter of record.

2) Excepting israel, Do you think that the main  reason the USA cares about the mid east is because of oil?

Yes, it's for the same reason that every other great power has taken an interest in the place.

[NUKE]

Originally posted by Nash
"...number one priority..."

"...number one strategic priority..."

Do a word count if you still can't see the difference. As for my part? I'm satisfied with my understanding of what Momus said. I'm getting bored of this, frankly.

Why can't you explain your idea of what he said? He sure can't.

You have said you believed the Iraq war was about oil, yet can't even say why you feel that way. You are a simpleton who cannot express his own views.

[Hangtime]

Now it is entirely your right to fly in the face of reality and in the face of sixty years of your own political history during which time successive US governments have made control of the resources of the persian gulf their number one strategic priority.

Look.. the statement is valid.. while we have not (untill recently) taken a front seat pistol pointing role over there, we've been very buzy behind the scenes for the last 60 years propping up regimes that would in turn make assurances regarding oil delivery and production... all under the guize of 'stabilty in the region'.

Cripes, what's so hard to understand.. some folks would like to disquise american motives in the region as 'just' or 'humanitarian'.. but that's just window dressing for the real deal.. "we'll keep you supplied with cash, arms, illegal chemical weapons, whatever.. just don't monkey with the oil deliveries to the west."

[NUKE]

Originally posted by Hangtime
Look.. the statement is valid.. while we have not (untill recently) taken a front seat pistol pointing role over there, we've been very buzy behind the scenes for the last 60 years propping up regimes that would in turn make assurances regarding oil delivery and production... all under the guize of 'stabilty in the region'.

Cripes, what's so hard to understand.. some folks would like to disquise american motives in the region as 'just' or 'humanitarian'.. but that's just window dressing for the real deal.. "we'll keep you supplied with cash, arms, illegal chemical weapons, whatever.. just don't monkey with the oil deliveries to the west."

Hangtime, you seem to be a simpleton as well.

Give some examples of the US controlling any middle east country or their resources.