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NUKE · « **Reply #165 on:** May 21, 2005, 02:57:05 PM »

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Originally posted by Nash
There is the goal. And then there are the strategies used in achieving that goal. Then one strategy can be a priority among other strategeis in achieving that goal. Hence strategic priority. They are different things my friend.

Momus, the simpleton, stated that the number one priority of the US for the last 60 years was to control Persian Gulf resources.

Somehow you get confused by that. It's funny.

NUKE · « **Reply #166 on:** May 21, 2005, 02:58:30 PM »

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Originally posted by Nash
You can't even get this one quote right despite harping on it.

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I argued that control of the resources of the persian gulf was the overriding strategic priority

Nash · « **Reply #167 on:** May 21, 2005, 02:59:03 PM »

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Originally posted by GRUNHERZ
Nash, strategic goal sand strastegic priortity are the same thing. You know that.

Huh?

YOU guys said "goal". HE never said goal. He said "strategic priority". Now you're saying "strategic goal?". As if by making up even more mutilations of his words that more closely resemble what he did in fact say will fool anyone?

Nash · « **Reply #168 on:** May 21, 2005, 02:59:54 PM »

You guys are hilarious. Like some kind of skit.

NUKE · « **Reply #169 on:** May 21, 2005, 03:00:08 PM »

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Originally posted by Momus--
Now it is entirely your right to fly in the face of reality and in the face of sixty years of your own political history during which time successive US governments have made control of the resources of the persian gulf their number one strategic priority.

Nash, here you go.

According to Momus, the " number one strategic priority" of the US for the last 60 years was to control persian gulf resources.

He can't back that up because it's not true. You are a simpleton as well.

Thrawn · « **Reply #170 on:** May 21, 2005, 03:01:05 PM »

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Originally posted by NUKE
Nash, you are not helping poor Momus. The number one priority is somehow diferent than the number one goal?

A goal is an end in itself. You are trying to assign an arguement to Momus that he is not making and than argue it. It's called a straw man fallacy.

http://www.nizkor.org/features/fallacies/straw-man.html

But like Nash said, you aren't going to get away with it.

Nash · « **Reply #171 on:** May 21, 2005, 03:01:38 PM »

Thanks Nuke, that's what I've been saying. That's why I quoted that exact thing only a few posts ago. Are kidding me here?

GRUNHERZ · « **Reply #172 on:** May 21, 2005, 03:04:12 PM »

Again, there is no issue here. Momus has used both "goal" and "prioity" interchangably in this thread to describe his idea. So there is no issue.

With this fact in mid, Thrawn, tell me what lind of fallacy is commited by you and Nash bring upo this irrelevant point?

NUKE · « **Reply #173 on:** May 21, 2005, 03:05:17 PM »

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Originally posted by Thrawn
A goal is an end in itself. You are trying to assign an arguement to Momus that he is not making and than argue it. It's called a straw man fallacy.

But like Nash said, you aren't going to get away with it.

Momus is saying that the number one goal of the US for the past 60 years has been to control persian gulf resources. He is a simpleton, and so are you if you believe that.

Nash · « **Reply #174 on:** May 21, 2005, 03:07:43 PM »

Hey Nuke & Grun, if you disagree with Momus, can you enlighten us as to what YOU think the strategic priority has been as it pertains to the Persian Gulf?

NUKE · « **Reply #175 on:** May 21, 2005, 03:08:50 PM »

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Originally posted by Nash
Thanks Nuke, that's what I've been saying. That's why I quoted that exact thing only a few posts ago. Are kidding me here?

Nash, you can never argue your own points....you suck at it. Momus has said that the number one US goal for the last 60 years has been to control persian gulf resources.

Why don't you back up your hero with some facts? You have said that the Iraq war was about oil yourself. Why not give your reason for believing that? Are you afraid that you will be seen as a complete moron?

Nash · « **Reply #176 on:** May 21, 2005, 03:09:05 PM »

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Originally posted by NUKE
Momus is saying that the number one goal of the US for the past 60 years has been to control persian gulf resources.

Then you go right back to screwing it up.

Nuke - hows about every time you want to reference what Momus said, you use his exact words and not some distorted facsimile?

NUKE · « **Reply #177 on:** May 21, 2005, 03:09:46 PM »

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Originally posted by Nash
Hey Nuke & Grun, if you disagree with Momus, can you enlighten us as to what YOU think the strategic priority has been as it pertains to the Persian Gulf?

I could easily do that. Can you?

Nash · « **Reply #178 on:** May 21, 2005, 03:10:36 PM »

I asked you first. What are we.... in grade three?

Momus-- · « **Reply #179 on:** May 21, 2005, 03:11:22 PM »

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Originally posted by GRUNHERZ
Again, there is no issue here. Momus has used both "goal" and "prioity" interchangably in this thread to describe his idea. So there is no issue.

You are wrong. I only used the word goal in response to Nuke's initial misrepresentation of my original argument. Other than that I was quite clear to distinguish between the two words