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[Hangtime]

Nixon was my Commander-In-Chief.

He was held in utter contempt and disgust by miltary professionals and draftee's alike.

As an example of what constitutes wrongness in american politics in the 1960's and 70's he's without parallel.

Anybody remember Spiro T Agnew?

You goofly lil puppies that didn't live thru that nightmarish time.. didn't see the filth that was american government and politics laid bare for all to see.. you'll never get it.

Clinton was a sweetheart.. Reagan a great oaf, Carter a naive pragmatist and Ford a lost puppy.. but Nixon truly was a rat bastard that used the office in ways that reveal his complete lack of honor or decency.

I hope his corpse rots in hell.

[storch]

Originally posted by Hangtime
Nixon was my Commander-In-Chief.

He was held in utter contempt and disgust by miltary professionals and draftee's alike.

As an example of what constitutes wrongness in american politics in the 1960's and 70's he's without parallel.

Anybody remember Spiro T Agnew?

You goofly lil puppies that didn't live thru that nightmarish time.. didn't see the filth that was american government and politics laid bare for all to see.. you'll never get it.

Clinton was a sweetheart.. Reagan a great oaf, Carter a naive pragmatist and Ford a lost puppy.. but Nixon truly was a rat bastard that used the office in ways that reveal his complete lack of honor or decency.

I hope his corpse rots in hell.

errr corpses rot in the ground.  your emotional attachment to the issue has clearly clouded your theology.

[Hangtime]

Originally posted by storch
errr corpses rot in the ground.  your emotional attachment to the issue has clearly clouded your theology.

Cute. But not relevant.

[Guppy35]

Originally posted by T0J0
Nixon after acknowledging that he made mistakes did the right thing....He resigned instead of draggin the country further into
 chaos assoicated with the scandal. He stood up in front of the country and took resposibility for his actions on live tv and resigned..  That is what is I call a Stand up guy...Admit your mistakes and learn from them even if you take lumps on the way..
 In later years Nixon's family would explain how bad he actually felt and the guilt he carried....
 Compared to the Clinton scandal which Bill stood up on live taped tv and lied to the country, didn't resign, was proved to have lied and has absolutely no remorse for his actions what so ever...

Again I ask, do you remember the time?  Nixon looked us all in the eye and lied.  He did it again and again and again.  He let his subordinates knowingly and unknowingly carry on the lie.

Geez, do a bit of research will ya?  He betrayed his own party, he let others defend him without telling them the truth and when the truth came out they were betrayed.  

To compare Clinton's stuff to Nixon's actions truely shows how little you know of what was happening at the time.

Nixon was re-elected in a landslide.  He had a mandate from the people.  Somehow through his own paranoia and misundertanding of the trust he'd been given by the people, he messed it up, and his legacy ended up being what it is.

But whatever you do, don't trivialize what happened then, with Clinton.

Dan/CorkyJr

[JB88]

texas killed kennedy.

[TalonX]

He was vindictive for being passed over.

One wonders if that was the FIRST abuse of the FBI he was privy to - not likely.  Only when he had an ax to grind did he find this patriotism.

I don't fault him for doing what he did, and I am a Republican.

[TalonX]

Originally posted by Guppy35
Again I ask, do you remember the time?  Nixon looked us all in the eye and lied.  He did it again and again and again.  He let his subordinates knowingly and unknowingly carry on the lie.

Geez, do a bit of research will ya?  He betrayed his own party, he let others defend him without telling them the truth and when the truth came out they were betrayed.  

To compare Clinton's stuff to Nixon's actions truely shows how little you know of what was happening at the time.

Nixon was re-elected in a landslide.  He had a mandate from the people.  Somehow through his own paranoia and misundertanding of the trust he'd been given by the people, he messed it up, and his legacy ended up being what it is.

But whatever you do, don't trivialize what happened then, with Clinton.

Dan/CorkyJr

I did not have sexual relations with that woman, Monica Lewinsky.



Clinton never looked us in the eyes and lied...nope, no way.

[Sandman]

Originally posted by T0J0

 Compared to the Clinton scandal which Bill stood up on live taped tv and lied to the country, didn't resign, was proved to have lied and has absolutely no remorse for his actions what so ever...

Gee... and here I thought he was acquitted.

[Sandman]

Originally posted by TalonX
I did not have sexual relations with that woman, Monica Lewinsky.



Clinton never looked us in the eyes and lied...nope, no way.

He didn't lie. Before they answered this question, they asked for a definition of "sexual relations" and this was defined as standard sexual intercourse (noodle/vaginal penetration). Go ahead and laugh. You, me and most of the people we know will all agree that oral sex qualifies as sexual relations, but you'd be surprised at the number of women that consider themselves to be virgins even after performing fellatio.

[Hangtime]

Originally posted by TalonX
He was vindictive for being passed over.

One wonders if that was the FIRST abuse of the FBI he was privy to - not likely.  Only when he had an ax to grind did he find this patriotism.

I don't fault him for doing what he did, and I am a Republican.

Whelp.. he nailed Spiro's bellybutton to the wall. And he nailed George Wallace too. Long before he dropped the dime on 'ol Tricky Dick.

Kinda easy for some folks to villify the old guy for doing what he did... yup; he was 'passed over'.. and the guy that got the office was one of Tricky Dicks political hacks. Not an FBI professional.

So tell me, oh wize ones, if you had worked your way to the top of an organization you cared about and an unprofessional political appointee was popped into the top job and then began to suborn the orginization you'd put 30 years of loyalty into, how'd you react when he started breaking the laws you were SWORN to uphold?

[soda72]

He didn't lie.

Now can someone explain why Hillary did not leave him?

[Hangtime]

She's a lawyer.. you'd think she's got grounds, motive, opportunity to fleece his cheatin carcass and strip him of every possession...

..unless he's got something better on her.

Something to ponder. Before you vote for her.

[Thrawn]

Originally posted by Hangtime
So tell me, oh wize ones, if you had worked your way to the top of an organization you cared about and an unprofessional political appointee was popped into the top job and then began to suborn the orginization you'd put 30 years of loyalty into, how'd you react when he started breaking the laws you were SWORN to uphold?

I would report it to the President...oh wait a minute!

[Seagoon]

Welcome to the real world of Washington...

Nixon lied and misused his office to cover up crimes perpetrated by some of the oafs working for him. He did so because he was a politician, and a particularly bitter and slightly paranoid one at that.

Woodward and Bernstein and Rather and a pack of other editors, journalists, and talking heads flayed him alive because they are liberals and he was a conservative, because they despised him, and because it was a great story they would have sold their own grandmothers to be the first to publish.

W. Mark Felt illegally fed classified information from the ongoing FBI investigation to Woodward and Bernstein for a number of reasons, not the least of them because Nixon passed over one of Hoover's groomed proteges in favor of Gray, a man he knew he could control.

Who's the hero in all this? In my worthless opinion, None of the above.

Something to ponder, I seriously doubt if any of us would be in favor of the "leak first" methodology if we happened to be the target of the FBI investigation. This methodology has been used more than once to destroy the career and reputation of men and women who ultimately turned out to be innocent. By the time the investigation closed however, irreversible damage had already been done. Personally, I am a strong believer in keeping the details of a criminal investigation confidential until an indictment is brought regardless of the individual or their politics.

- SEAGOON

[Hangtime]

Kinda a true Tricky Dick setup.. Gray was a political appointee. The FBI up to this moment in history was not politically controlled.. and was investigating vigorously several shady operations the president wanted hushed.. including the Washington Police.

From a 1992 article on the Watergate Investigation:

Institutional Motives

 WITH the benefit of hindsight, it becomes abundantly clear why someone at the FBI would have an interest in leaking information about Watergate to The Washington Post. In the very first week after the Watergate arrests, FBI investigators found that the White House was putting obstacles in the way of its investigation of the case. White House counsel John Dean insisted on sitting in on the FBI's interviews. The Bureau's efforts to interview witnesses and to obtain various records were being stalled or blocked. L. Patrick Gray, who was working closely with Dean, ordered FBI agents to call off a proposed interview with Miguel Ogarrio, a lawyer whose checks totalling $89,000 had been deposited in the bank account of one of the arrested men; Gray said the interview might jeopardize existing CIA operations in Mexico.

Nixon's White House tapes later demonstrated that, in one of the key acts of the Watergate cover-up, Nixon and his chief of staff, H. R. Haldeman, had ordered the CIA deputy director, Vernon Walters, to ask the FBI not to pursue its inquiries in Mexico. Of course, FBI officials other than Gray did not know this at the time. All they knew in late June of 1972, little more than a month after Hoover's death and Gray's appointment, was that the White House was impeding their investigation. And these White House efforts seemed to validate their worst fear: that the Nixon White House intended to use the FBI for political purposes.

FBI officials were furious. According to Mark Felt, on July 5 three top FBI officials asked for a meeting with Gray to protest White House obstruction of the Watergate investigation. The three were Felt, Charles W. Bates, the assistant director in charge of the FBI's General Investigative Division, and Robert Kunkel, the special agent in charge of the Washington field office, which was conducting the investigation. As Felt recounted in his memoir,

    "Look," I told Gray, "the reputation of the FBI is at stake.... We can't delay the Ogarrio interview any longer! I hate to make this sound like an ultimatum, but unless we get a request in writing from [CIA] Director Helms to forego the Ogarrio interview, we're going ahead anyway....

     "That's not all," I went on. "We must do something about the complete lack of cooperation from John Dean and the Committee to Reelect the President. It's obvious they're holding back -- delaying and leading us astray in every way they can....

Invoking Hoover's name, Felt made clear that he and his colleagues believed that the FBI's traditions and its future were at stake:

     In fact, no one could have stopped the driving force of the investigation without an explosion in the Bureau -- not even J. Edgar Hoover. For me, as well as for all the Agents who were involved, it had become a question of our integrity. We were under attack for dragging our feet and as professional law enforcement officers we were determined to go on.

For a senior FBI official like Deep Throat, talking to Woodward and the Post about Watergate was a way to fend off White House interference with the investigation. The contacts with the press guaranteed that information developed by the FBI's Watergate investigative team would not be suppressed or altered by Nixon Administration officials. And, more broadly, the leaks furthered the cause of an independent FBI unfettered by political control.

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Deep Throat: An Institutional Analysis