O'club

[Captain Virgil Hilts]

Originally posted by Chairboy
Sadly, I am not a current member.  I'm on hiatus, waiting for ToD.  I'd like to think that I've contributed and am not part of the problem.  I think that the person that ignited the fire that burned our house down was a paying member, so it's not exactly a silver bullet solution.

I sure hope that it re-opens, and I respect the difficult decision that HTC needs to make.  I hope to see y'all back on the board.

My suggestion was not directed at anyone in particular. I don't see you as having been any worse than anyone else. I certainly would not choose to see you excluded from the BBS.

I never thought it would be a perfect solution. Perfect solutions don't exist. It isn't even a great solution. It is just a solution to allow HTC to have more control, easier. The work load and frustration was far more than we the community have the right to expect them to bear.

I too hope to see it reopen, and I hope you are there. Agree or not, you are a stand up guy.

I wish everyone would have the same respect and consideration for the decision they had to make, and those they'll have to make, as you show. I find it funny that there are those who "DEMAND" that the O'Club be here and be a "free for all".

[Habu]

Originally posted by Captain Virgil Hilts
I do get it. I never disputed that the O'Club COULD be an asset. Agreed, off topic stuff migrates in more often without the O'Club.

People who want to play the game, and be involved with the community, will be here, regardless of the O'Club. You read it here first. The people who make the game and the community ARE NOT in the O'Club only, many are not in there AT ALL. people who love the game and the other people will hang out here, regardless of the O'Club. They'll be in the other community forums, the O'Club is NOT the only community forum, nor is it the back bone or foundation of the community.

Deleting the offending posts hasn't been working. If it was, we wouldn't be having this discussion, and the O'Club would still be up. THAT IS A FACT. They've been deleting posts, locking threads, and banning people, and it has been getting worse for quite some time. They were FORCED by what you call "the community" to close it. VERY few, if any, regular posters in the O'Club were NOT guilty of trolling, baiting, flaming, or other bad behavior.  Just about every one of us has done one or more recently.

Exactly what does the gross sales of my business have to do with ANY of this? How sad, you think you have to measure yourself against someone you disagree with by profit. Next it will be K/D ratio.

By the way, the two of us, in a small shop building racing products, grossed plenty last year.

You brought it up. Just as you assumed that your customer service experience makes you more qualified to speak on those issues, you assume that everyone here is some sort of child who needs a school master with a big stick standing by or they will get out of line.

I know people from the O Club who own multi million dollar businesses, who restore WW2 aircraft, who work for the British War Museum, who own smaller business, who fly for a living, who have advanced university degrees and many other exceptional ithings.

We do not need to be treated like kids because of the actions of a couple of misfits. Misfits will always be around. Set some guidlines and deleate their posts that break the rules. After they get no attention they go away, or better yet grow up and contribute usefully to the place.

[Nilsen]

Originally posted by CyranoAH
Will there be a designated moderator on weekends?

Daniel

I know someone who should NOT have that job
<---he is recovering over there

[dirtbag]

"I wish everyone would have the same respect and consideration for the decision they had to make"

Wouldn't that be sort of like you showing "respect and consideration?"

No offense but you are responsible for a share of the antipathy in the O'Club, in fact, respectful and considerate are not two words I associate with your BBS persona.

[SuperDud]

I keep clicking  on the costum sounds and skins thinking it's the oclub lol. Get in there and think why is mitsu's sound pack in here:p

[airbumba]

Only about ,what, 20% of the paying players ever come to any of the boards. And of that, maybe a third can withstand the abuse recieved when posting on the O club. So to threaten HYTC, or say the Oclub is the AH community is a stretch, to say the least.

I know if someone was checking out the BBS before joining, most people you'd want in the AH community would leave after reading the O club as of late. It's just gotten to 'attack the poster' orientated lately.

As far as paying customers. Well if HTC staff have to waste time moderating it, then u pay. I pay for the time HT staff put into the game, why shouldn't u pay for the time they put into moderating?
Community moderaters, different story. I have no prob with that idea.

Maybe a system where the posters themselves can post a 'strike'  against a poster in a given thread, and enough people post that guy 'strikes' he's outta the thread. If that person, doesn't get the point and moves to start a new negative thread, posters can vote a 'ban', and enough 'bans' and the guys outta the O club, for a period. If the offender comes back, after his time out and starts all over again, then the posters vote for a 'permanent ban'.

to expand a bit. Say you have a 'strike post' button, it takes say ten strikes then the poster gets message'community has struck you from this thread'. The offender should get the point, if they don't you have second button,'ban' offender, same thing, maybe ten votes offender gets message'community has banned u'. First ban, 1 day gone, second one week gone, third permanent ban. The votes sre not seen by the offender, to avoid personal attacks, but are logged for review in case of protest. This way it's the community whose decided what to allow, and if the community decided to allow too much crap still, then the community will have been responsible for the permanent closure of the O club.
Just a thought.

I too enjoyed some of the O club, but as of late, dared not post, due to the unneeded attacks that were sure to follow. We do need a civil place to discuss off topics tho, specially BBQing.

my 2 cents.

[eskimo2]

I wouldn’t want to be a moderator.  However, if someone else wanted to be a moderator and didn’t want to take the flack that goes with the job, they could do it under my name (as an alias).   I wouldn’t mind having a few folks raving mad at me for deleting their posts; I just don’t want to go through the effort myself.

eskimo

[Captain Virgil Hilts]

Originally posted by dirtbag
"I wish everyone would have the same respect and consideration for the decision they had to make"

Wouldn't that be sort of like you showing "respect and consideration?"

No offense but you are responsible for a share of the antipathy in the O'Club, in fact, respectful and considerate are not two words I associate with your BBS persona.

I have already stated that at times I am as guilty as anyone. I took responsibility for it publicly, when this all began.

I show respect and consideration to those who show it to me.

No offense taken. I never said I was perfect, I said I was far from it.

[Nilsen]

How about this...

Make the o'club hidden like the squad forums are?

Out of sight to those that does not activly seek it or know of it and causual people stopping by wont be "offended"

There would have to be normal modertation tho, but nothing extreme.

[Morpheus]

Excuse me for asking but whats the point if its on this board or on another one? Checksix.net has always seen alot of traffic from the oclub users here. Now it'll just see more.

Seems to me that HT tried it. Everyone got warned there but it still kept up. So they killed it.

[Furious]

The hand wringing reminds me of a Grateful Dead concert I went to in Berkeley.

I don't like the GD and didn't have tickets, but it was fun as hell to wander around the hills above the campus watching all the folks.

...anyway, at one point I witnessed a group of hippies (maybe 15 in all) surrounded by 3 security dudes.  The hippies wanted in, but had no tickets.  This group was on their 2nd or 3rd attempt at crashing the gates and their leader, a 5'11" guy weighing maybe 98 pounds was trying to rally his troops for another assault on the stadium.   His tearful plea, he was actually crying, went like this, "if we all hold hands and walk down there together, they just have to let us in".

All the, "your community and your game will wither and die without us o'clubbers", reminds me of that hippie.



ps.  when you buy the "magic" cookies from a chick with a beard, you know you are in for a good time.

[Captain Virgil Hilts]

Originally posted by Habu
You brought it up. Just as you assumed that your customer service experience makes you more qualified to speak on those issues, you assume that everyone here is some sort of child who needs a school master with a big stick standing by or they will get out of line.

I know people from the O Club who own multi million dollar businesses, who restore WW2 aircraft, who work for the British War Museum, who own smaller business, who fly for a living, who have advanced university degrees and many other exceptional ithings.

We do not need to be treated like kids because of the actions of a couple of misfits. Misfits will always be around. Set some guidlines and deleate their posts that break the rules. After they get no attention they go away, or better yet grow up and contribute usefully to the place.

You are the one who decided I needed a job with the government. YOU brought it up, I didn't, I just commented on it.
I didn't say I was more qualified, you ATTEMPTED to say I was NOT qualified at all. Big difference. YOU assumed I had no idea what I was talking about because I didn't see it your way. Too bad.

No, I do NOT assume everyone here needs anything. I commented on what I saw. I never said EVERYONE get's out of line ALL the time. I said I've seen 90% of the people who regularly post on the O'Club, especially some of the frequent posters, INCLUDING myself, get out of line to some extent, some more than others, and cause the grief that got the O'Club where it is today.

In case you missed it, a while back, they DID set some guide lines.
They were posted at the top of EVERY forum. And AGAIN, they have been deleting posts, locking threads, and banning people, for quite some time. Guess what, it kept getting ugly, and they closed the O'Club, DESPITE posting guide lines, deleting posts, locking threads, and banning people. Isn't that what you keep saying? Delete posts! It fixes everything! NOT! If it worked, the O'Club would be open. It isn't. They are asking for suggestions. You are saying "delete posts of the offenders, it solves all the problems". Well, it didn't solve them.

Your solution (delete posts) didn't work, offer another one.

[Furious]

Originally posted by Nilsen
How about this...

Make the o'club hidden like the squad forums are?

Out of sight to those that does not activly seek it or know of it and causual people stopping by wont be "offended"...

...or we could just change the name of the O'Club to "ch200".

[Ripsnort]

I'm pretty sure the O-club got nuked because I was fast approaching 20k of posts (not counting the 7,000 that Skuzzy lost in the BBS change over in 2002).

j/k.

[MrBill]

Anyone who actually WANTS to be a moderator should be banned from taking on the job.

This would be a good rule for political candidates also.

Sure will miss all the biscuits and gravy.

Thanks for the many hours of amusement HTC. < S >