Friday Squad Operations July 1st canceled tonight.

[daddog]

i dont claim to know who is really in charge of this,daddog,maybee im yellin at you and your not the one

You can yell at me. I am the one who made the decision to cancel it.

but my point remains.whoever is in charge is not doin a good job,and im getting tiered of paying for it.to all volunteers.im one as well, so i know what you do.my point is you all know how disorganized tods is(i dont care what u call it).we all pay to play,i think a couple of paid hours toward making this right is in order.

Well I am the Head CM. It all flows uphill to me. We have team leaders for all our events, Snapshot, Scenarios, Squad Ops etc. Ghostdancer is the Lead CM for Squad Operations. Under him are the Admin CM’s and the Setup CM’s for Squad Operations. 68KO is the Admin CM for this months Squad Ops. I had nothing to do with the planning or scoring.

I guess the bottom line is your not happy with Squad Operations. Sounds like things have not been going to your liking and the canceling tonight really pissed you off.

I don’t have an answer for you beyond what I have already posted. I wish I could say things will improve, but for the most part we have been running Squad Operations the same for years, with some minor tweaks and changes. What makes Squad Operations great is the active cooperation of the Squads, but when a Frame C.O. does not follow through on his responsibilities it does spoil it for a lot of players. Squads that are chronic in their lack of responsibilities are removed from Squad Operations. That is why (IMHO) most of the Friday nights go so well. Almost all the squads we have do what they need to do, but every once and a while someone will drop the ball and spoil the night for a LOT of players.

[doobs]

JUst as an also ran A37 could have been leveled down to the last pub(even though I could never ever hit a watering hole).

our ords told us to squash everything but the FH's, which we did.
And still had guys left with eggs, The guys left with eggs asked me what to do I told them to drop anywhere and hed home to rearm.

At resupply we got the order to reupp and hit fh's at a37(was wondering why, cause we could of done it on the first run)
but we had 12 fiters after rearm but lost 7 to disco on the reup.
so 5 of us went back in and realized we couldn't take all three fh's down we had only one 1k bomb each, we tried to get two, with 2 direct hits on each and one drop inbetween, but only one hanger went down.

If we would of wiped it out on first pass and with no discoes, we would have returned to the untouched port and crushed that.
IMHO


And believe me I'm not happy about this either, got wife ack shelling me from all angles, with lethality turned all the way up.

[yb11]

well that sucks.( in real life  do that stop fighting on the 4th ?? think NOT (

[APDrone]

Originally posted by yb11
well that sucks.( in real life  do that stop fighting on the 4th ?? think NOT (

Um.. the evening was postponed due to the fact that 50% of the participants did not receive specific orders from their country CO in time.

Please remember a couple of things.

The CM team works very hard and diligently to prepare an event that is balanced and complex enough to provide a challenge to those tasked with commanding their side for an evening.  These are not walkon events for good reason.  They have the potential to be very intricatly choreographed events, given commanders with such a desire.

Also, many participants set aside time in their squad schedules to actually PRACTICE the orders they have received for the week. If they don't get their orders and can get some practice time in, they can get grumpy too.

We have postponed events before due to squads not receiving their orders with an adequate enough time to prepare and communicate.

Is it unfortunate that this happens? Absolutely. Do we enjoy doing it? Absolutely not.  I'd love to see that everything falls into place nice and orderly every week and we have our events with no mishaps, missettings, no discos, and all the beer is cold and within a week of it's born on date.

With that said, I hope to see everybody next Friday for frame 2.

[kevykev56]

sqwiglly, im sorry if I led this thread into a frustration fest. I was just venting because of a few bad hours in the MA, No FSO, and a long week. My apologies to all concerned.

The guys who run this are an all volunteer group. They do this so we can all have a good time. Without them there would be no FSO. And like I said in my last post " Life Happens", just sometimes we lose sight of that as I did tonight.

FSO has become my favorite part of AH. I flew home from work early, havent seen my family in a week. My wife wanted to goto dinner and a movie, but Nope its FSO night. So Daddog yeah I fell right into your scenario.

For those of you who were there a Snapshot did run in FSO's place. It wasnt the same but none the less, very fun!

I am looking forward to frame 2 next week. All

[Nefarious]

Thanks for showing up Tonight.

Will post logs tomorrow.

[sqwiglly]

i know this is all volunteers and life happens,but thats my point.why are we paying for something run by us?if one guys bad computer can jack it up for all of us then something is wrong with the system.as squads we are the bread and butter for this company,i dont think its too much to ask that they put a paid employee to make shure this is done right.
i agree that tods is where i have the most fun in the game,so why is it given the least attention?ive been in tods for 2 years and nothing has changed.we still get orders late,we still have fields that are supposed to work,yet dont.we still have planes we should be able to fly but cant,we have squad leaders that cant get orders out and we just cancel it?the squad opps board is still jacked,i cant view half of it?this has been this way for a long time and no one seems to care?htc has managed to rewrite the whole game,but cant fix these minor problembs?no ,they could fix them ,probobly in one day.but instead we all deal with the same bs and say well,thats tods.bs.fix it.or i will have to fly angry

btw,i think it would be great if the senario was a little more realalistic.make it last 3 months or till victory,bring the goons in and make the side actually capture a base to get it? make it a true ,squad on squad,side on side fight

also,ty to all who have put up with my misspelling

o...and kev,stop appolagising,you the biggest complainer ive ever seen in this game,you gonna start pullin punches now?

[BBQ_Bob]

I to made plans around FSO, left work early and everything. But I must say there were a lot of us (squads) that wanted to make a go of it regradless of orders or lack thereof. As for the blessing in disguise well I got to spend some time with my son and we played Star Wars together so that part was cool for me.

But I  believe that we should let the next squad in rotation have a go at it. You take your shot and drop the ball then it's the next guy's turn. Who is to say that the Allied CO's computer problems will be corrected in time for the next frame? Why take the chance. Like what was said earlier some 200 guys were let down, are we willing to let that happen again?

[elc7367b]

In the famous words of Rodney King "Can't we all just get along?"

I was disappointed in not having FSO tonight.  But you know what?  Sometimes things happen that are out of our control.  I want to express my appreciation to all those involved in setting up and organizing these events.  Lord knows I would have a hard time doing it.  Would probably have everyone pissed off at me if I was responsible for it.  

Like it has been said several times in previous posts, FSO has become a part of my weekly routine as well.  I am kind of bummed out the one down week we have between scenarios.

It is understandable for those of you that want to vent your frustrations.  Before you do, however, stop and think about how much work must be involved in setting these things up.  I am dissapointed it did not go tonight.  I would, however, been even more disappointed had it gone but in such a way as to not create a challenge.

I just have a different feeling when playing in the FSO than I do in the MA.  The palms of my hands get sweaty, I get a knot in my stomach.  It must be the fact that you get one life (for most part) and not the unlimited stuff you do in the MA.  I am a team  player and in these scenarious people generaly work better as a team than in the MA.

Any way, chill out, relax, get a cold one and raise it with me in honor of those that work so hard to provide us with a few hours of entertainment.

Thats All

Muttman
Sick Puppies

[sqwiglly]

See Rule #5

[Dawggus]

We pay our $15 for the game platform, the community is what we make of it.  Would everyone be willing to pay $20 so HTC can staff certain events that only cater to a segment of the player base?

The Squad Ops is a value-added component that was designed by community volunteers.  Let HTC develop the game platform, and leverage the player community to develop events, design skins, etc., we all win in the end.

I feel the folks who volunteer to run Squad Ops for us have done a fantastic job over the years.  They have been very responsive to player input, and done everything possible to minimize snafus.  Every once in a while we will have a situation like last night, lets just take the lessons learned and move on, like we always do.

Cya Up!

Dawg

[ROC]

come on,every one do nothing,ready....go

I don't blame you one bit for being upset.  I've been involved in events and scenarios for probably 10 years now.

The effort made to pull orders out and make last minute changes are intense at times, and having the thing fall apart at the last minute just royally bites.

That's one of the main reasons that we "volunteers" are working long and hard on a new system of notification and registration that is designed to help prevent situations like this.  

Having both had major events cancelled out from under me, as well as having to deal with events where the players in command failed to perform, I clearly understand the frustration, and can only say the CM team that is assembled in AH at this time is aware of not only why cancelled events are so disruptive to everyone involved, but are in the middle of some very aggressive activities to eliminate these gaps in communication.

Most players have no way of knowing  this, so I won't bludgeon you about the "do nothing" quote  .  I designed a similar system for my office, and it took 6 months to implement.  This team is working on improving the events with untold hours behind the scenes, yet still only a few months into it, knowing full well that last nights situation is exactly what is being targeted for improvement.

So keep blasting your points, that's how we know what is working and where it's not.  Feedback from any soapbox is warranted and really does help.

Of note, I am very impressed that such an ugly situation, although passionate in response, hasn't gotten vile as it seems to do so often.

[Nefarious]

Logs posted in Snapshot Forum, for those who participated last night.

[skernsk]

sqwiglly, your whining is pathetic.  The reason for the cancellation is not a CM or an organization issue.  It is that a Frame CO did not get the orders out.

This happens once in a while as real life issues get in the way of a game.  If you don't like the way Squad Ops is run, you can always quit and find something else to do.  Of course then you would have nothing to ***** about .....

[kevykev56]

Originally posted by sqwiglly

o...and kev,stop appolagising,you the biggest complainer ive ever seen in this game,you gonna start pullin punches now?

Do I know you? You must have me confused with someone else.