Author Topic: BUFF pilots feel left out (Read 3763 times)

Pyro · « **Reply #45 on:** August 03, 2005, 05:19:04 PM »

You guys who like to complain about suicide buffs are hypocrites to be hijacking this thread. You really have a beef with a buff pilot getting recognition for landing their sortie rather than augering it in? Brilliant!

To elaborate on my original query, the problem is not so much with doing it but with how to do it. I don't see the suggestion to list what he destroyed as viable. We could have a really long message like:

Server: Pyro landed 2 Hangars, 3 Factories, 2 Fuel Depots,
Server: a barracks, 3 acks, 2 churches, an orphanage, 2 brothels,
Server: 6 sheep, and a chicken, in a B-17.

OTOH, if you make the messages generic then that will probably prompt some people to focus on softer targets more.

Morpheus · « **Reply #46 on:** August 03, 2005, 05:20:49 PM »

are we getting SHEEP AGAIN!????!

Can we KILL them this time???!:D

SuperDud · « **Reply #47 on:** August 03, 2005, 05:22:16 PM »

I honestly have no problems with milkrunners or the guy who is with a squad/mission trying to accomplish a base capture. Is it my cup O tea...no, but to each their own. My problem is with the dive bombing lancs or 50k bombers that feel the need to stop a furball. They come in with no other purpose except to kill the FHs at a certain base or CV to stop a fight. I think a lot of ppl do it thinking they are helping and isn't intentionally meant to ruin fun for others. I think 999000 is respected so much b/c I've seen him ask on numerous occasions if we want him to hit FHs and it's really appreciated by us furballers. And not only him, there are others that are very repectful in that stand point. And by the same token, for guys such as that I would gladly dive head long into stupid odds to help them best I could before I bit it. Although by the time I get there most of the enemy is dead anyway:eek:

SuperDud · « **Reply #48 on:** August 03, 2005, 05:25:44 PM »

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Originally posted by Pyro
You guys who like to complain about suicide buffs are hypocrites to be hijacking this thread. You really have a beef with a buff pilot getting recognition for landing their sortie rather than augering it in? Brilliant!

To elaborate on my original query, the problem is not so much with doing it but with how to do it. I don't see the suggestion to list what he destroyed as viable. We could have a really long message like:

Server: Pyro landed 2 Hangars, 3 Factories, 2 Fuel Depots,
Server: a barracks, 3 acks, 2 churches, an orphanage, 2 brothels,
Server: 6 sheep, and a chicken, in a B-17.

OTOH, if you make the messages generic then that will probably prompt some people to focus on softer targets more.

If the hit% is possible I'd go that route.

Player has X kills and hit X% with ordinance

If people wanna hit soft targets to get a better landing message..oh well. No worse really than someone vulching to land 20 kills and enjoy the praise.

g00b · « **Reply #49 on:** August 03, 2005, 05:26:37 PM »

IF, such a scheme were to be implemented. I would recommend for ALL planes, attackers and buffs, the message:

So and so got so many kills AND delivered XXX lbs of ordinance on target.

Then of course the GV guys will want a similar message.

I really do believe Goon's should get a:

So and so captured XXX base at the moment of capture.

Starts to clutter the text buffer.

I do think both buffs and goons should get more perkies. The goons should be able to get fighter perks if they choose, then the rooks might actually take some bases!

g00b

LePaul · « **Reply #50 on:** August 03, 2005, 05:28:16 PM »

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Originally posted by SuperDud
I think 999000 is respected so much b/c I've seen him ask on numerous occasions if we want him to hit FHs and it's really appreciated by us furballers. And not only him, there are others that are very repectful in that stand point. And by the same token, for guys such as that I would gladly dive head long into stupid odds to help them best I could before I bit it. Although by the time I get there most of the enemy is dead anyway:eek:

Well said. Usually I'll link up with 999 and Tatertot if the Rooks have a game plan to take and capture a base. I'm not one to egg a field without having some sort of plan to grab it with my squad.

Morpheus · « **Reply #51 on:** August 03, 2005, 05:28:54 PM »

SYSTEM: Hub just ruined a perfect CV Furball after sinking the CV with his B17s'.

YAY!

Vudak · « **Reply #52 on:** August 03, 2005, 05:29:24 PM »

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Originally posted by BlueJ1
Who cares ? I certianly dont care for peoples complaints if I spend my time climbing to 15k or so and taking down FHs. They have the abilities to defend.

Yeah but ah BlueJ1... The enemies have the ability to defend, true... What ability does YOUR country have to stop you?

Guppy35 · « **Reply #53 on:** August 03, 2005, 05:31:28 PM »

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Originally posted by Pyro
You guys who like to complain about suicide buffs are hypocrites to be hijacking this thread. You really have a beef with a buff pilot getting recognition for landing their sortie rather than augering it in? Brilliant!

To elaborate on my original query, the problem is not so much with doing it but with how to do it. I don't see the suggestion to list what he destroyed as viable. We could have a really long message like:

Server: Pyro landed 2 Hangars, 3 Factories, 2 Fuel Depots,
Server: a barracks, 3 acks, 2 churches, an orphanage, 2 brothels,
Server: 6 sheep, and a chicken, in a B-17.

OTOH, if you make the messages generic then that will probably prompt some people to focus on softer targets more.

I think there should be war crimes trials held for the guys who blew up the brothels.......and the sheep for that matter

Dan/CorkyJr

Stang · « **Reply #54 on:** August 03, 2005, 05:31:53 PM »

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Originally posted by Morpheus
are we getting SHEEP AGAIN!????!

Can we KILL them this time???!:D

Bah, model them soft and cuddly so I can smooch smooch w/ em as I run around w/ my .45 looking for planes to vulch.

Seeker · « **Reply #55 on:** August 03, 2005, 05:38:38 PM »

Can we get assists on VH's?

My Tiff only carries eight rockets and I'm tired of no skill P38 dwwebs stealing all my kills...

BlueJ1 · « **Reply #56 on:** August 03, 2005, 05:43:14 PM »

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Originally posted by Vudak
Yeah but ah BlueJ1... The enemies have the ability to defend, true... What ability does YOUR country have to stop you?

Id be more then happy to divert my target if so and so asked me not to bomb the hangers, Id simply take down the vh or the town. Im not out to ruin fun when i up a set of bombers. If my country is losing, then yes I may up to put FHs down. And my thought of losing is not a ton of ours guys dieing in a furball, but when they are being vulched off a feild.

Vudak · « **Reply #57 on:** August 03, 2005, 05:44:29 PM »

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Originally posted by Pyro
You guys who like to complain about suicide buffs are hypocrites to be hijacking this thread. You really have a beef with a buff pilot getting recognition for landing their sortie rather than augering it in? Brilliant!

To elaborate on my original query, the problem is not so much with doing it but with how to do it. I don't see the suggestion to list what he destroyed as viable. We could have a really long message like:

Server: Pyro landed 2 Hangars, 3 Factories, 2 Fuel Depots,
Server: a barracks, 3 acks, 2 churches, an orphanage, 2 brothels,
Server: 6 sheep, and a chicken, in a B-17.

OTOH, if you make the messages generic then that will probably prompt some people to focus on softer targets more.

Pyro, I wasn't trying to hijack this thread by pointing out that some buffs suicide. What I was trying to say is that bomber pilots already have recognition when they land kills, same as everyone else. My suggestion to stop suiciding would simply be one of the steps toward landing these kills.

I don't have any "beef" with any bomber pilot landing their sortie instead of augering it in. Quite the opposite. I do have a serious problem with the thought of rewarding bomber pilots for bombing FHs, VHs, City Buildings, sheep, whatever, via a text victory scroll.

I say this because many nights (and rampantly the past two or so on the last map) I seemingly haven't been able to get to a fight without having the FHs dropped very soon before or after I arrived. That just kills it for you after you've drop your DT. And NO, I'm not just looking to vulch.

I *really* hope that this situation is not encouraged.

If, however, this offer is now seriously on the consideration board, I'd like to make a compromise suggestion...

Why not only award a text buffer "name in lights" ONLY for objects destroyed on a town? Say:

Server: Vudak destroyed 20% of A10 Town.

This is a compromise because it won't encourage people to drop the FHs, thus, wasting fighter's time. On the contrary, it will encourage people to drop on the town, so a goon pilot's time is not wasted.

Besides, when all is said and done, the only thing that absolutely HAS to go down to take a field is the town... So why not recognize this?

Thoughts?

BlueJ1 · « **Reply #58 on:** August 03, 2005, 05:48:34 PM »

Vudak, I understand your opinion completly.
My opinion is that fighter pilots do their job, and when they do it well, they are awarded with kills, and then those show up in the text buffer. I believe that bomber pilots should get a small bit of this.

I like So and So landed successfully in a B17 with a hit % of ___

And as far as cluttering up the text buffer, there isnt to many real bomber pilots left, and most of the text buffer is cluttered up with guys talking about whatever on country.

Lye-El · « **Reply #59 on:** August 03, 2005, 05:54:28 PM »

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Originally posted by g00b
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That's why I .squelch 6 as soon as I log on. What do I care if some Bozo landed 6 kills, he probably got them vulching anyway. Now if the kill messages didn't count aircraft on the ground and HOs I might find it more interesting....Of course if the scoreing system didn't count them either the whole system would be more telling about who is actually a decent plane driver.

But I think a BUFF driver should be able to get his name it lights if he lands his plane.

SYSTEM: Bozo porked something with a box of Lancasters.

I also think you should get scored for actually hitting something with the manned ack before it got destroyed.