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« Reply #105 on: September 01, 2005, 09:16:59 AM »
I read somewhere once that in the 70s farmers were able to actually farm their own alcohol to power their equipment... speaking in terms of renewable energy that could be used sooner rather then later, I wonder if we might see a similar system now.
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« Reply #106 on: September 01, 2005, 09:32:11 AM »
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You are forgetting the other half of the equation in that quote, and your earlier statement about percentage of world population versus percentage of vehicle ownership omits an important factor as well. I guess you were "just trying to prove a point", as you said in this thread too. No reason to look at all the facts when you are trying to justify your position.
Don't read into it what isn't there. I merely said that one particular country has 5% of the world's population, and 40% of the world's vehicles. I wasn't talking about Germany, and I wasn't making a comparison - I said what I said - is all. If there's a problem with that, then maybe it's your problem.

Moose - I think your concerns are perhaps short term ones. Back in 1974, we watched in horror as the price of petrol doubled from where it had been just 12 months earlier. We thought our world had ended! I think that the whole supply/demand/price issue will find its own level. People will learn to economise. Further up ^ someone said he was going to get the bike out, and you're indicating that you're going to cut back your driving. People will adapt by buying more economical vehicles. Folks will start to ask whether they really NEED that SUV. OK, I know it's not going to be without pain, and there will be cries of anguish in the coming months...

Nilsen - you are right. I know a lot of people living in New York - specifically Manhattan, and very few of them bother with cars - it's just not worth the hassle. One of my friends lives at the "crossroads of Manhattan" at 57th & 6th Avenue - right near Carnegie Hall. And she got rid of her car once she'd sold the house in the Hamptons - no longer needed it. Just to garage it was costing $4000/yr, and the insurance was in 4 figures - and that was in 1995. You can get a lot of cabs for that sort of money. A car is an inconvenience for anyone living in Manhattan.

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« Reply #107 on: September 01, 2005, 09:37:57 AM »
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I think it means that those girly men metrosexuals who live in cities don't have cars.  Cars and guns frieghten them.

I have 3 cars and a bike... I am a one person household.   The only people I know who don't have cars are the ones who have lost their licence.... quite a few actually.

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« Reply #108 on: September 01, 2005, 09:42:21 AM »
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Don't read into it what isn't there. I merely said that one particular country has 5% of the world's population, and 40% of the world's vehicles. I wasn't talking about Germany, and I wasn't making a comparison - I said what I said - is all. If there's a problem with that, then maybe it's your problem.


I only read what was written, but I took into consideration the attitude of the post. Perhaps I was wrong, but I don't think I was as others took it the same way. I made no mention of Germany, if you'll notice.

Either way, this could very well turn out to be a viable solution until hydrogen cells are economically feasable.

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« Reply #109 on: September 01, 2005, 09:42:56 AM »
yesterday it was $3 a gallon here, better go fuel up before it goes up nother 50 cents
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« Reply #110 on: September 01, 2005, 09:54:45 AM »
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People will learn to economise. ......... Folks will start to ask whether they really NEED that SUV. OK, I know it's not going to be without pain, and there will be cries of anguish in the coming months...


Who cares what they need. They don't need internet, central heating and air, cell phones etc etc. The problem is the cost, not the consumption. Find a way to effectively change the cost and you don't have to sacrifice your 'wants'.

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« Reply #111 on: September 01, 2005, 11:50:27 AM »
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I only read what was written, but I took into consideration the attitude of the post. Perhaps I was wrong, but I don't think I was as others took it the same way.
Maybe you were wrong, and they were wrong too?
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I made no mention of Germany, if you'll notice.
Neither did I. It was Ripsnort!

HoldenMcGroin - update on the population: Apparently we've passed the 60m mark. I don't know how old that DVLA article is, but if it is correct in saying that there are 32.5m fully licensed drivers, then they represent a little over 54% of the population. I do apologise for being 4% out on my original guesstimate.

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« Reply #112 on: September 01, 2005, 01:41:02 PM »
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Who cares what they need. They don't need internet, central heating and air, cell phones etc etc. The problem is the cost, not the consumption. Find a way to effectively change the cost and you don't have to sacrifice your 'wants'.


Econ 101:

High supply + low demand = low price



Low supply + High demand = high price



Consumption = demand

Therefore

Consumption drives the cost.
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« Reply #113 on: September 01, 2005, 02:30:11 PM »
mukiwa... glad to be of assistance... hope you do well on your PHD...  

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« Reply #114 on: September 01, 2005, 02:45:13 PM »
HMcG - very good post. You said it all, without a beetlesque wall-o-text. ;)

There's one other parameter - tax. Tax artificially depresses demand. So we have the choice - no tax, and see the price go up because of demand outstripping supply, or see the price go up because of tax, knowing that it won't go higher because tax is keeping demand within the available supply.

Not sure if I posted this article before - quite interesting, about all this fuel price supply/demand/price stuff - get it here.

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« Reply #115 on: September 01, 2005, 08:07:43 PM »
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« Reply #116 on: September 02, 2005, 04:14:39 AM »
See Rule #5
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« Reply #117 on: September 02, 2005, 08:11:18 AM »
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« Reply #118 on: September 02, 2005, 08:20:22 AM »
What boggles my mind is others whine, piss and moan about gas prices, and I don't.  I drive a 2004 Explorer on top of it.  I use the 4x4 (High and Low) unlike 90% of SUV owners.  

As much as people whine about SUV's in here and elsewhere.   I find it kind of ironic, that those owning SUV's, aren't the one's griping.  

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« Reply #119 on: September 02, 2005, 09:03:09 AM »
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It`s a shame you are so bored you have to travel that far for a little excitement. If you lived here, you could just hop down to Fredericksburg and get all of that. :)
Not bored. And it's about 600 miles drive to Munich, so a 1200 mile round trip. You had to go 4000 miles to escape your boredom. Besides, I don't think I could visit Nexx, the other AHers or the set of Das Boot by driving down to Fredericksburg, even if I lived in TX.
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We will be sitting on the edge of our seat awaiting this info. How totaly fascinating.
Well, it IS what this thread was about - gas/diesel prices. You thought it was sufficiently exciting to come to the thread in the first place. :p

I see from another thread that you're a truck driver - the hat fits! :lol

And now, I'm leaving the living room to go to my kitchen - to get my newspaper, not because I'm bored with the living room! :lol;)