Gores concession speech: Bitter? Or Noble?

[Wanker]

So, in other words, no matter what he says, he'll be wrong, or disingenuous, and you'll have an excuse to keep kicking this dead horse?

Some of you guys are pathetic.  

[AKDejaVu]

Nice post MiG Eater<S>!

AKDejaVu

[Kieren]

banana-

While I don't care to flog the horse with the others, you might check a sample of what I have read from the media today:

 http://www.msnbc.com/news/501779.asp

The problem I have with this is all the noise being made before the SCOTUS decision, how the left would respect the court decision, how no one would impugn SCOTUS. Of course this began almost immediately with personal attacks on Scalia and Thomas, how they should recuse themselves as they couldn't be impartial, how they were politically tied to the Bush cause... I heard several Dem senators and representatives say things like "I don't want to impugn the justices, but I have heard people say they were complete political hacks." This is a sidestepping way to land the same blow they decried when done by the Reps.

I don't know what Gore will do, and don't much care (unless he should do something crazy like renig). The trouble is already there, and likely will be for some time. It is too late for words between the Reps and Dems, it is time for action to back up the words.

[LJK Raubvogel]

Well...it was neither bitter nor noble.....the only word that comes to mind is phony. I was pleasantly surprised that he only managed to stick two jabs at the other side and the USSC into his speech.

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[Ripsnort]

 

Originally posted by Ripsnort:
Question is: Will he mention 'Popular vote' and 'Legal issues' in his concession speech? Or will he bow out gracefully and be noble about it?

I've always given my fellow man the benefit of the doubt, I say he bows out like a true statesman without verbal bitterness strewed between sentences.

Just saw the concession speech, and he did bow out like a true statesman.

[AKDejaVu]

He did get a couple of good jabs in at the US Supreme Court, managed to express concern for those unable to defend themselves and congradulated Bush on "receiving the Presidency" (not being elected).

Sublety to the extreme.  He'll be back in 2004.

AKDejaVu

[Nash]

Most of y'all were dead wrong   It was a perfect speech.

And Rip, you've "always given [your] fellow man the benefit of the doubt"? Unless that person's name is Gore, no? I find it odd you would say something like that.

Anyways, let the Bush bashing begin and Gore in Four!

hehe

[Dead Man Flying]

 

Originally posted by AKDejaVu:
He did get a couple of good jabs in at the US Supreme Court, managed to express concern for those unable to defend themselves and congradulated Bush on "receiving the Presidency" (not being elected).
AKDejaVu

Did we watch the same speech?  I've read the transcript twice now and see one reference to "disappointment" at the Supreme Court's decision.  There is also NO reference to Bush "receiving" the presidency, though Gore did mention that, "Bush inherits a nation whose citizens will be ready to assist him in the conduct of his large responsibilities."

I don't know how you could possibly read that line as a jab at Bush's electoral legitimacy.

Check out the transcript here.

-- Todd/DMF

[easymo]

 He gave a speech worthy of The Vice President of the United States.

[Kieren]

I caught the speech-

The jab, and it was only slight, was the comment on how he disagreed strongly with the Supreme Court. He also mentioned he was sorry he wouldn't be able to fight on for those whose voices weren't heard, but guys, this was a pretty classy concession speech considering all that happened.

Bush is going to need all the support Gore can publicly rouse. Whether you believe in the sincerity of the speech or not it was the right thing to say under the circumstances, and it raised my respect for him because of it.

[AKDejaVu]

OK.. he said "Congradulated him on becoming the President"... not "receiving the presidency".  Still no mention of being elected.


 

I've read the transcript twice now and see one reference to "disappointment" at the Supreme Court's decision

1. Strongly disagrees with the supreme court's decision
2. Disappointment

And.. the best dig of all:

   

VicePresident Gore:
I do have one regret: that I didn’t get the chance to stay and fight for the American people over the next four years, especially for those who need burdens lifted and barriers removed, especially for those who feel their voices have not been heard. I heard you and I will not forget.

If the lifestyle of the underpriveleged does not improve.. it is because gore wasn't there to help them.

AKDejaVu

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[Dead Man Flying]

 

Originally posted by AKDejaVu:
OK.. he said "Congradulated him on becoming the President"... not "receiving the presidency".  Still no mention of being elected.

When you are elected to the presidency, you become the president.  Don't read into this too much.

As for the Supreme Court, Gore actually only makes ONE negative comment toward it, not two.  It was my mistake in misquoting what he said the first time... a misquote which you then coupled with his actual quote to give the appearance of two jabs.  Here's the substance of what he says:

"Now the U.S. Supreme Court has spoken. Let there be no doubt, while I strongly disagree with the court’s decision, I accept it. I accept the finality of this outcome which will be ratified next Monday in the Electoral College. And tonight, for the sake of our unity of the people and the strength of our democracy, I offer my concession."

"Strongly disagrees" with the decision is as far as Gore goes here.

 

If the lifestyle of the underpriveleged does not improve.. it is because gore wasn't there to help them.

Maybe.  I was attempting to deal with your misperceptions about the actual, word-for-word content of Gore's speech (re: how many jabs he made at this institution or that person).  I had and have no interest in debating the success or failures of his policies over the last eight years.

-- Todd/DMF

[Mighty1]

Sorry Nash but I think Gore has gotten as close to the presidency as he's ever going to get.

If he can't beat someone like Bush with the economy we have now then what chance does he have in 4 years?

I'm afraid the Demos will find someone much better by then.

[AKDejaVu]

The dissapointment was just in loosing.. or with the decision that caused the loss?  Interesting that he didn't specify.  Your first statement wasn't as incorrect as you'd like to believe.

And you don't "become" president.. you are elected president.  He didn't congradulate him on winning the election.  As a matter of fact.. he never really mentions a victory of any kind.  He refers to "the constest through which we just passed", "This has been an extraordinary election" and "the unusual nature of this election".

AKDejaVu

[LJK Raubvogel]

I could be wrong, but I believe the only reason Al Gore had so much popular support in this election is the legacy of Bill Clinton. Standing on his won, I don't see Al Gore as being that attractive of a choice as a presidential candidate. I could be wrong, but I just don't see him having the charisma after 4 Bill Clinton-less years to get the nomination again.

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