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« Reply #405 on: September 27, 2005, 04:10:16 PM »
I'm not drawing absolute conclusions from the thread as you are trying to do from the poll.

Big difference.

Nor am I suprised that you cannot see the linkage between governmental coercion and loss of freedom.
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« Reply #406 on: September 27, 2005, 05:47:13 PM »
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I'm not drawing absolute conclusions from the thread as you are trying to do from the poll.

Big difference.
Oh don't be ridiculous. I am not trying to draw any conclusions from the poll yet. For one thing, it's a 7-day poll which hasn't even completed Day2 yet. The pic was when it was only a few hours old. And when it's complete, I/we will be able to interpret the results, along with the BBS posts that have been added alongside the actual votes.
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Nor am I suprised that you cannot see the linkage between governmental coercion and loss of freedom.
Erm... are we going "off topic" again by talking about the seatbelt law? In Britain's case, the seatbelt law was not driven by government, but by a registered charity which concerns itself with the prevention of accidents.

Seems like the "government coercion" is  something that's happening in the US, as we do not have any "Feds" here. Sorry to hear that. I still don't know whether to take jackal's account of the grass cops seriously, or whether he's pulling my pisser.

But, according to jackal, with all that power and "freedom" you have over there, you are able to change the things you don't like. :aok

Hehe, it's funny that we are the country cited as the ones who lay prostrate at our government's feet... - so it's even funnier that we are not the country that has grass cops/hosepipe cops. :D

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« Reply #407 on: September 27, 2005, 05:59:15 PM »
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What position do you play for the Pats?


The most important position of all....tailgater. Most bring a grill, I bring da smoka, I rule
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« Reply #408 on: September 27, 2005, 06:01:32 PM »
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Oh don't be ridiculous. I am not trying to draw any conclusions from the poll yet.
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What would be ridiculous would be someone trying to draw any conclusions at any time from such limited sample from an biased population/site.


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Seems like the "government coercion" is  something that's happening in the US, as we do not have any "Feds" here.  


Yes, we do have it here. Which is probably why you haven't really sorted out just what is being discussed here. Jabber on about seatbelts though as if you knew what was really being discussed. Hint: the concept is far larger than a single law.
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« Reply #409 on: September 27, 2005, 06:08:11 PM »
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What would be ridiculous would be someone trying to draw any conclusions at any time from such limited sample from an biased population/site.
How do you know it's biased? You don't even know what the site is, which makes you sound... biased.

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« Reply #410 on: September 27, 2005, 09:35:55 PM »
seatbelt laws save OTHER peoples lives therefore they are good. They keep you behind the wheel and in control often enough to save many lives (other lives besides yourself). On the other hand, helmet laws should be repealed...

I can't abide laws that infringe on my liberty "for my own good"...such as the war on drugs. It's really a war on Americans that use drugs. Or prostitution and gambling - victimless crimes. Next thing you know they'll arrest me for my thoughts! oh, wait...they already do that with hate crime laws.

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« Reply #411 on: September 27, 2005, 09:46:38 PM »
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In Britain's case, the seatbelt law was not driven by government, but by a registered charity which concerns itself with the prevention of accidents.
 


   I have seen you use this a few times here. I am getting sort of curious. Are you saying that a registered charity,  (whatever that truly means), singlehandedly put a law on the books? Is that what you are saying? The people and the government had nothing to do with it at all?
  I`m serious here, so don`t take it as a flame. I know how sensitive you are. :)

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I still don't know whether to take jackal's account of the grass cops seriously, or whether he's pulling my pisser.


  Would someone please verify the "grass cops" for me? I can`t believe that you spent time here beet and don`t believe what I am telling you is fact.
 I am also serious about the paint scheme laws, water hose restrictions, the gravel/rock/grass deal.

 
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Seems like the "government coercion" is something that's happening in the US


  Did the bright light hurt your eyes when it became clear what we are discussing here? You are absolutely , 100% correct. (man that really hurt :) )
  I think you are finaly admiting that you are at least beginning to understand what is being discussed here.

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But, according to jackal, with all that power and "freedom" you have over there, you are able to change the things you don't like.


  Exactly! You may also remember that I said that as of late the natives are getting restless. In other words , it has clearly went too far. Even some of the "don`t rock my boat" crowd are getting the picture. Why? Because their heads have been yanked out of the sand and certain body orfices where it is dark. Their boat has been rocked. They are realizing that they have been lulled into a false sense of secutiy.
  I think changes are getting pretty imminent. The ones that are willing to stand up, I beleive, are about to stand up.
  Your polls?? What do they mean? I don`t doubt that you are going to get a majority that participates who say everything is peachy creamy and that`s what they want. They are the "don`t rock my boat" crowd looking for a way to justify their bending over. When and if the time comes, what good are they? None. They won`t stand up when their personal rights are being taken away and they are certainly not going to get involved in anything they might appear to come out on the losing end of. In essence your majority has became the minority simply because they will not get involved NO MATTER WHAT.
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« Reply #412 on: September 27, 2005, 10:38:07 PM »
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It is possible for someone to believe in seatbelts but not to believe their use should be mandatory.


I believe in seat belts... I have seen and touched them.  I have gathered concrete, verifiable proof of their existance.
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« Reply #413 on: September 27, 2005, 10:54:15 PM »
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How do you know it's biased? You don't even know what the site is, which makes you sound... biased.


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I decided to run my own poll on a British road safety and general motoring BBS
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the British law was instigated by a registered charity - RoSPA
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RoSPA = Royal Society for the Prevention of Accidents

So let's see... you poll a British Road Safety BBS about a law touted by the Royal Society for the Prevention of Accidents.

Yah....  right. Not a biased poll. :rofl

Your protest makes you sound.... not completely honest. (putting it gently)
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« Reply #414 on: September 27, 2005, 10:59:37 PM »
Two of many. Various cities, various height regulations.

Grass rules crop up again

Cities monitor grass growth
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« Reply #415 on: September 27, 2005, 11:30:29 PM »
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Or prostitution and gambling - victimless crimes.


Well, not really, your whole community is a victim. Both bring a criminal element, your crime rate will go up.
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« Reply #416 on: September 28, 2005, 12:17:14 AM »
Unless you live in Nevada.

Wonder what the property value price increase percentage over the last 20 years in Reno and Vegas looks like in comparison to suburban bean town?
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« Reply #417 on: September 28, 2005, 12:19:20 AM »
:rofl
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« Reply #418 on: September 28, 2005, 01:24:02 AM »
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What he was was flawed as Ambrose suggests. Ambrose has a few flaws too, as do all of us.

Doesn't change the value of his observations on and contributions to a better form of government.


flawed...that's being generous.

i'd think he was more of a 'hypocrite', the guy publicly denounced others for owning slaves, but he himself lived and died a slave owner. above that he fathered how many kids from sally, his inferior negro sex slave, six?

better form of govn't, well he did deny others the freedom of choice in order to secure his own.

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« Reply #419 on: September 28, 2005, 01:26:25 AM »
Best advice I ever got about drinking was from an alcoholic.
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