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« Reply #375 on: September 27, 2005, 04:10:04 AM »
The Jefferson postage issue was only available as a 'pre-licked' stamp.

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« Reply #376 on: September 27, 2005, 05:25:07 AM »
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The Jefferson postage issue was only available as a 'pre-licked' stamp.
Well that would certainly explain the weird taste :D

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« Reply #377 on: September 27, 2005, 08:18:39 AM »
Ok... beet... cut all the crap... you are saying that because they are friends of yours it is ok to restrict the freedom of millions in order to maybe save the lives of a few of your friends who wouldn't wear their seatbelts if you didn't make em?  if they don't you would fine and jail em.... because you.... love em?  You took away their freedom because you love them?   They are like little children who don't know what is best for them so.... You make them?

six... so far as I know...yes you can carry a loaded gun into a mall in vermont...you used to be able to carry an unloaded one here in kalifornia used to be able to carry one on the seat...didn't used to have to wear a helmet or seatbelts or wear a life jacket to swim or boat or water ski... see where this is going?  incramentalism...

The suv thing... I have no idea what you are talking about... maybe you mean that you have a shortage of emt's in your city?  we don't.  fire some of the seatbelt cops and hire emt's.

So far as the junk cars..  no problem so long as they are safe.  If they are on all four wheels and can't be used by children to lock themselves in.... who cares?   Just like they made people chain up refrigerators so kids wouldn't die in em.  nothing wrong with that..

If the guys yard is all weed then you have a case... they will spread to the neigbors... causing harm...if he has horses or pigs... he will spred flies or smell.... causing harm.   What is it that he does that you don't like?

Now... in Kalifornia we have a new law that makes it illegal in some places (more all the time) to swim without a life jacket on...  We are talking grown up adults....I ask you DO YOU SEE WHERE THIS IS GOING?  or..  how much more will it take before you get it?

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« Reply #378 on: September 27, 2005, 08:50:04 AM »
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The suv thing... I have no idea what you are talking about... maybe you mean that you have a shortage of emt's in your city?  we don't.  fire some of the seatbelt cops and hire emt's.

No, the longer those emt's are at a scene, they can't respond to another, but I guess that is not legit

So far as the junk cars..  no problem so long as they are safe.  If they are on all four wheels and can't be used by children to lock themselves in.... who cares?

Well, some here do, but they would rather take the law into their own hands, hey, who needs the law if you are the law. If anyone is going to write a law, it's you! Unless you don't agree with hangtime anymore....flip flopper


And speaking of absolute freedom, are you not the one who thinks woman should not vote? Oh no, incramentalism!!
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« Reply #379 on: September 27, 2005, 09:00:09 AM »
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I'm discussing it  


  You and yourself, the both of you, have fun, but keep the noise down. The other patients are in finger painting class and should not be disturbed. :rofl

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Good grief, you'll be telling me that "this is a US board" next.


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« Reply #380 on: September 27, 2005, 09:06:14 AM »
what are you talking about?   Where does it say that if I agree with hang on something that forever more I have to be his *****?  but....

I have no problem with two adults decideing to fight and then having a fair fight tho.... nobodies business but theirs... probly we could make more progress on this whole thread if we could step into the ring like gentlemen.... you could further the cause of telling people what to do based on saving money and everyone else could take turns beating the crap out of you in the cause of making you mind your own business.

peer pressuer works... we give up peer pressure and let government do our work at our peril.

Look... if you don't have enough emergency personel then you are wasting tax money on something less important.... like seatbelt cops.  really simple.   heck... they spend more time cutting down the house around the 500 lb dead fat person but I don't see you fighting for fast food laws (you probly do on second thought).

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« Reply #381 on: September 27, 2005, 09:08:54 AM »
oh... missed the women shouldn't vote thing.... you are getting desperate huh?

women deciding of issues of crime and security vs freedom is like cats trying to figure out the decimal system.  or... like you trying to figure out freedom.... say...

you aren't a woman are you?  I mean a real one not just a womanly man?

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« Reply #382 on: September 27, 2005, 09:25:28 AM »
I'm starting to think there are no males in Massachusetts. ;)
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« Reply #383 on: September 27, 2005, 09:28:33 AM »
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Ok... beet... cut all the crap... you are saying that because they are friends of yours it is ok to restrict the freedom of millions in order to maybe save the lives of a few of your friends who wouldn't wear their seatbelts if you didn't make em?  if they don't you would fine and jail em.... because you.... love em?  You took away their freedom because you love them?   They are like little children who don't know what is best for them so.... You make them?
I do not believe that wearing a seatbelt is a restriction of "freedom".

I have said before that I believe that about 80% of vehicle users would not bother to use belts unless there was some "encouragement" in the form of the threat of a fine. Kind of brings it into focus! No, I certainly wouldn't wish to see transgressors jailed. A modest fine every few years would be the only cost to them to exercise their "freedom" not to wear a belt.

I don't believe in allowing tens of thousands of lives to be wasted every year in the name of upholding "freedom". But you have made it abundantly clear that you are. I'm not talking about foreign wars here; you know what I'm talking about.

And... I don't believe it's nannying or creeping government. Like I said a few posts back, the British law was instigated by a registered charity - RoSPA. And... so far my poll shows people in favour of the seatbelt law by a margin of 12-3. And... it's clear that the legislators in 49/50 states agree, and... so do the New Hampshire police - and after all, they are US citizens, living under the constitution, one nation under Cod, blah blah blah blah...

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« Reply #384 on: September 27, 2005, 09:37:14 AM »
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I'm starting to think there are no males in Massachusetts. ;)
 there weren't many when I happily left there in 1979

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« Reply #385 on: September 27, 2005, 09:46:21 AM »
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I have no idea what you are talking about... maybe you mean that you have a shortage of emt's in your city?  we don't.  fire some of the seatbelt cops and hire emt's.
lazs [/B]


  Now there is a truely workable idea.
  How about what I refer to a the " grass
cops"? I think they could be replaced and the evil grass growing laws we could do without. I realize the evil grass growers have to be kept under control, :)
  When we lived in the county seat my wife had surgery and was in the hospital.
  We came home to a "grass length citation". Our grass was around 3 inches in height. The grass law claims anything over 6 inches and you`re busted. When the grass cop was called, we asked him just how he measured the grass. He stated that he had enough experience and knowledge of grass that he didn`t have to actualy measure it. He said he could tell from his car. I suggested a trip to the eye doctor might peak his performance. One half block down was a city owned lot. Grass was about knee deep. Across the street from it was another city owned lot, same thing. Drove by the "grass cops" house. Guess what? :) The citation was dropped.
  How about the 'water hose cops" and the water hose laws? We really need them? My brother-in-law owned and entire block and the houses on it with the exception of one. He was redoing the house next door to his and had a hose ran over into the yard to mix and cleanup from painting. You guessed it. He got a water hose violation. The proposed fine was $600.00. Do we really need warer hose laws and hose cops?
  What about the "destruction cops"? We really need them? A friend of mine was going to tear down a carport and build a new one. In rolls the destruction police and promptly wrote him a citation for destructing without a permit. Destruction permit $500.00. Construction permit $750.00 if I rmember correctly. Of course the construction permit was delayed in being issued for a couple of months due to the city staff was in a heated, intense battle over what type flowers would be put around the clubhouse of the city owned golf course. :)
  How about them "beer drinking" cops that risk their lives every day keeping society safe from those who wish to have a cool one while sitting on their porch or patio? Do we really need laws and to pay officers to patrol in search of the evil beer drinkers? Many have been arrested and hauled in in this area for doing exactly that. The charge...public intoxication. I don`t remember voting on grass, hose and home beer drinking laws. Do you?
  Do we really need paint scheme cops and laws? Do we really want to foot the bill for them? In some editions if you paint your house in a non-approved paint scheme, YOUR BUSTED. Don`t remember voting on that one either.
  Was watching the news last night and there was a late, breaking story concerning the evil dirt bike riders (bicycles) that were about to come under the gun. The film rolled showing the true horror of this pack of 8 to 10 year old lawless rebels jumping hills, etc on their mountain bikes. THE SHEER HORROR! The story went on to say that officers had been hired and this lawless band of ruthless criminals were going to be stopped at any expense. This was in Dallas. :) Can anyone think of anything that this effort might be better used on in this city?
 Nanny laws. THEY ROCK!
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« Reply #386 on: September 27, 2005, 10:08:01 AM »
LOL!!! Grass cops? Water hose cops? We don't have anything like that!

Ah come on, jackal. Grass cops? That's got to be a wind up! :lol

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« Reply #387 on: September 27, 2005, 10:11:58 AM »
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Ah come on, jackal. Grass cops? That's got to be a wind up! :lol


Nope. It`s the real deal allright. Any town or city larger than a gas station has "grass cops".
 Nanny laws in action. Amazed aren`t ya? :)
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« Reply #388 on: September 27, 2005, 10:28:37 AM »
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I have said before that I believe that about 80% of vehicle users would not bother to use belts unless there was some "encouragement" in the form of the threat of a fine.... so far my poll shows people in favour of the seatbelt law by a margin of 12-3.
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Obviously, you should have the two questions at the same time.

1. Would you wear a seat belt even if there were no law?

and

2. Do you think there should be a law with a fine/punishement?

My hypothesis is that nearly everyone in your test group will say they would wear a belt even if there were no law.

I think you're 80% is off by about 75% overage.


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 And... it's clear that the legislators in 49/50 states agree, and... so do the New Hampshire police -


1. You're in favor or State legistlators being coerced by the Federal government?

2. Police Chiefs aren't princes here. Their opinion on this subject is no more valid than anyone else's.
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« Reply #389 on: September 27, 2005, 10:31:46 AM »
Here is another nannyism for ya Beet.
My father-in-law has a  covered carport on the end of his house. Beside of the carport, uncovered, next to the concrete driveway, is a rock and gravel driveway.
  His wife drives a Mercedes that she likes to keep in the carport. He recently bought a new Pontiac for himself. He also owns a pickup. The rock and gravel driveway hasn`t been used for a while so the bermuda grass has crept up through it.
  He parks his vehicle on the gravel/rock. Enter the high and mighty cop that determines where and when you can park your vehicle on YOUR property. No parking on the gravel/rock driveway beside the carport because it is now considered a "grassed" area.
  He moved his pickup to the backyard which is surrounded in an eight foot, wooden privacy fence. Now there is no place, according to the powers that be that he can park one of the two remaining vehicles on HIS property. Quite a battle over this at the time.
  My suggestion was to spray the gravel/rock area with Roudup to kill the grass that had crept up through it. Wrong!!! Since the issue had came under such close scrutiny he would then stand a pretty good chance of getting busted for using unauthorized chemicals.
  The other alternatives are to either rerock the driveway or add on to the existing carport. There is a catch to that of course. You then have to file for and be issued a building permit to do either.
  That`s right, another charge of $750.00 or so.
  You getting the idea of what we are discussing now?
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