Author Topic: Make ord volatile!! (Read 4851 times)

Skilless · « **Reply #30 on:** October 17, 2005, 06:42:16 PM »

I think the fuel on a bomber would explode before the bombs cooked off. He does have a point about the vunerability of the underside of the planes though.

hubsonfire · « **Reply #31 on:** October 17, 2005, 07:06:03 PM »

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Originally posted by fuzeman
Didn't some bombs cook-off when a rocket was accidently fired on the USS Forrestal off the coast of Vietnam.
Different war and circumstances but the bombs sure exploded in a fire.

For some reason I thought that was a bomb that was inadvertently dropped, but I could be totally off-base. Regardless, yeah, that was one hell of a mess.

Charge · « **Reply #32 on:** October 17, 2005, 07:43:38 PM »

"without slowing down"

This is what I commented on. It will pass that plate but not much else. I bet that if the piece of metal is small enough the bullet may even get stuck in it. I have seen a picture of that, too.

-C+

viper215 · « **Reply #33 on:** October 17, 2005, 08:59:14 PM »

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Originally posted by Furball
because its not american. duh.

Your point is?

Sketch · « **Reply #34 on:** October 17, 2005, 11:25:30 PM »

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Originally posted by Bronk
TNT, torpex are no where near as stable as c4. I am quite sure api would set off TNT , and torpex but not c4.
Also i believe the older the tnt , and torpex the more unstable it becomes.
Same with c4 just a lot longer shelf life.
Bronk

TNT, maybe... C4, most likely not.... As far as the bomb going off when getting shot I don't believe they would. If the TNT was sweating if for surely go boom. Who really knows, when the belly go shot maybe a fuel line was hit? I just can't see a bullet setting a bomb off...even in WWII.

Flayed1 · « **Reply #35 on:** October 18, 2005, 01:22:56 AM »

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Originally posted by ChristCAF
TNT, maybe... C4, most likely not.... As far as the bomb going off when getting shot I don't believe they would. If the TNT was sweating if for surely go boom. Who really knows, when the belly go shot maybe a fuel line was hit? I just can't see a bullet setting a bomb off...even in WWII.

Umm i believe it states in my post that torpex was highly sensitive to bullet impacts. If they used this for the grand slam and tallboy it might stand to reason that the brits also used this in the smaller bombs also....
And if they did then gun fire to bomb bays especially on british bombers may have a umm how should I put this.. Bad effect???

I will keep looking for more info on the explosives used.....

straffo · « **Reply #36 on:** October 18, 2005, 02:38:42 AM »

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Originally posted by viper215
Your point is?

According to the A-Team series if a car flip on it's back (and if it's empty) it should explode.
As well a car with the fuel gauge at Zero explode like napalm when dropped from a cliff.

is it enought ?

Ghosth · « **Reply #37 on:** October 18, 2005, 08:37:05 AM »

C4 is incredibly stable, which is why its used the way it is. Its also very easy to work with, moldable, shapable, etc.

Heat & pressure, pressure and heat. Each explosive has its own tolerance for both. Exceed their tolerance and they go boom.

Anfo (Amonium Nitrate & Fuel Oil) is Incredibly stable, is very tolerant of pressure up to the 2,000lb per sq inch level. Exceed that pressure with a blasting cap & a couple of turns of det cord. And Anfo goes up like a, a, emm, BOMB!

Explosives are set off not by electrial charge, Primers are. Thats just one way of setting off a primer. There are many different kinds of primers.

Can come from a primer attached to any number of diff fuzes.
Can come from dropping it hard enough. (A drop of nitro will explode if it drops from your hand to the floor)

Can come from it catching on fire. That bomb may burn at first if a .50 goes into it.
But ALL of the explosives used in bombs are volitile stuff. They'll all burn WILDLY!

So, you have a bomb with a fire inside, as its cooking off more & more, torpex is heated to the flashpoint, and ignited. All those gas's are trying to escape through one small hole. More pressure is generated, more heat builds up.
What are the odds?

Dunno, I havn't shot .50 api at a rack of bombs lately.
But, if it was me, you'd not catch me sticking around close to a burning 1k bomb.

Sketch · « **Reply #38 on:** October 18, 2005, 10:05:23 AM »

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Originally posted by Flayed1
Umm i believe it states in my post that torpex was highly sensitive to bullet impacts. If they used this for the grand slam and tallboy it might stand to reason that the brits also used this in the smaller bombs also....
And if they did then gun fire to bomb bays especially on british bombers may have a umm how should I put this.. Bad effect???

I will keep looking for more info on the explosives used.....

Your right in many ways on this Flayed, but the reason I argue it is because I deal with explosives on a day to day basis. Between mechanical and electrical fuzes, primers and everything in between... I just can't see Torpex or even HBX/HBX-1/HBX-3 going off with a bullet hitting it. I am not saying your wrong, but with all the ordnance just laying around in Europe and around wrecks of planes, you figure at some point there might have been a fire. I checked around online at work and on : At room temperatures, it is a very stable product. It burns rather than explodes, and only detonates with a detonator, being unaffected even by small arms fire. It is less sensitive than pentaerythritol tetranitrate (PETN). However, it is very sensitive when crystallized, below −4°C.
I am curious about it and will keep looking. Will check in some other resources at work...

Larry · « **Reply #39 on:** October 18, 2005, 10:19:46 AM »

If a tracer or a cannon hits something thats flamable it will catch it onfire. So if one hits a bomb and penatrates its going to be setoff by the magnesium phosphorus on the tracer or the cannon going off.

Krusty · « **Reply #40 on:** October 18, 2005, 11:26:34 AM »

TK: US 50cal were predominantly incendiary, as well, if I recall.

ChristCAF, I think you're trying to apply modern standards to a very primitive time. Would you drop a vial of nitro from 3 feet to the ground? A small fall. Hell, my cell phone can take that without losing a call... But with nitro? No way. Considering that most explosives of the time were new inventions, and the "old" ones they already had were made with even less-stable stuff, there's no reason to believe ANY of the bombs the made pre-45 were stable! Maybe some more "stable" than others, but like I said, look at the image I linked to: this schtuff happened.

Larry · « **Reply #41 on:** October 18, 2005, 12:41:27 PM »

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Originally posted by Krusty
TK: US 50cal were predominantly incendiary, as well, if I recall.

ChristCAF, I think you're trying to apply modern standards to a very primitive time. Would you drop a vial of nitro from 3 feet to the ground? A small fall. Hell, my cell phone can take that without losing a call... But with nitro? No way. Considering that most explosives of the time were new inventions, and the "old" ones they already had were made with even less-stable stuff, there's no reason to believe ANY of the bombs the made pre-45 were stable! Maybe some more "stable" than others, but like I said, look at the image I linked to: this schtuff happened.

Yes API would be reaking hell on bomb the high rate of fire and being API would mean bomb would be going off if you hit a buff in the bomb bay.

Larry · « **Reply #42 on:** October 18, 2005, 12:47:48 PM »

Has any of yall seen a film of a P47 (I think) strafing a train and hits a boxcar filled with ord? It did what explosive matter does when lit onfire it blew up.

Sketch · « **Reply #43 on:** October 18, 2005, 01:17:43 PM »

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Originally posted by Krusty
TK: US 50cal were predominantly incendiary, as well, if I recall.

ChristCAF, I think you're trying to apply modern standards to a very primitive time. Would you drop a vial of nitro from 3 feet to the ground? A small fall. Hell, my cell phone can take that without losing a call... But with nitro? No way. Considering that most explosives of the time were new inventions, and the "old" ones they already had were made with even less-stable stuff, there's no reason to believe ANY of the bombs the made pre-45 were stable! Maybe some more "stable" than others, but like I said, look at the image I linked to: this schtuff happened.

No offense... all it says is a Flak hit in the bomb bay.....Not, "Hit a bomb and it went off"

I have handled TNT that is sweating, so no I would drop some nitro a fricking inch! RDX, Torpex and such used back then were stable

LARRY: If you can find that film I am interested in seeing that because that would be a sight to see.

Krusty: Get a new cell phone...

Larry · « **Reply #44 on:** October 18, 2005, 01:22:14 PM »

Ill go look on my History of Warfare DVDs........ Still havent watched it all 6 hours on each DVD. I know it has a clip of a 109 geting his DT set on fire.