Author Topic: Make ord volatile!! (Read 4850 times)

Grimm · « **Reply #45 on:** October 18, 2005, 02:43:54 PM »

I think Ill go with Sketch (ChristCAF) on this one.

First because he is a squadmate and one of my best friends

Second because he working with Bombs, Explosives and the like every day. He is highly trained in this area and his information is pretty solid. Sorry, no offense, But watching a DVD on it isnt probably as good a source.

Im sure gun fire *could* make one go off in the right situation, but I think this would be pretty rare. So modeling part of the DM based on a rare case doesnt make sence.

Besides Bombers are fragil enough and easy to kill to a skilled pilot in the right plane.

fuzeman · « **Reply #46 on:** October 18, 2005, 07:22:14 PM »

We need to get a 1k bomb and a 50 cal to settle it.

Any volunteers?

Larry · « **Reply #47 on:** October 18, 2005, 07:36:50 PM »

Ill buy the .50 cal bullet

Larry · « **Reply #48 on:** October 18, 2005, 08:07:24 PM »

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Originally posted by ChristCAF
LARRY: If you can find that film I am interested in seeing that because that

This isnt the one I seen but it will do. The second seine looks kinda like a fuel car from the roundish shape but it may just be the film. It just shows you what API rounds do when they hit flammable/explosive material. IE the contents of a bomb. I think some people think Im talking about hiting or striking a bomb. I'm talking about a API, tracer, cannon hiting a bomb and penetrating. seting fire the the bombs explosive material.

Gun Cam

Cobra412 · « **Reply #49 on:** October 18, 2005, 11:13:53 PM »

Why are Marines using 60s to detonate vehicle and personnell land mines in the field if a bullet supposedly cannot detonate these explosives? Or can the bullet simulate the weight necessary to trip a anti tank mine or is it igniting the primer?

Sketch · « **Reply #50 on:** October 18, 2005, 11:27:40 PM »

The Marines are using good ol' C4 and some blasting caps with a hand detonator....

Fuzeman: I'll bring the 1k egg..... maybe we need two!

Cobra412 · « **Reply #51 on:** October 18, 2005, 11:44:20 PM »

Umm unless they were loading up the 60 with the items you described then I'd have to say "try again". Then again who knows maybe the video I saw was doctored by the Military Channel so the casual user wouldn't notice anything different than what they see in the movies.

Scotlvr · « **Reply #52 on:** October 19, 2005, 06:19:44 AM »

Lets think about this experiment..Take a M2, 50calmachinegun, speed it up to 400MPH. Let's put a API every 10th round, and give it a 2 second burst. Now WWII 50's fired 750rpm, lets fly the Pony for this so.. that 6 50's firing at 750rpm that gives us 75 rounds for a 2 sec burst. With a API round every 10th round that's 7 API rounds fired. Now..let's take a 500lb cast iron bomb and put it at 160 mph, and make the 2 pass each other at opposite directions.
Now some one give me the odds of a API round hitting, piercing and denoting the bomb.
Yes a Barret will pierce a 1" steel plate...that's not the question..the question is all about probability, of 67 AP rounds and 7 API rounds fired at 400 MPH at a moving target hitting a Round smooth object at just the perfect angle..after traveling 300 yard's ..piercing a layer of aluminum..then a 1" of Steel. I'm not saying it's impossible and it didn't happen but..come on! You have to be one Unlucky SOB for this!!
Now if you bring up the 20mm..lower Rate of fire and lower muzzle velocity. I would believe the odds would be ALOT worse.
Now flack...It purpose was to fill the sky with shrapnel trying to damage vital components of the Aircraft. Yes Aircraft was hit by Direct flack hits and went down, wings blown off, fuselage ripped in half ect, ect. Once again what percent of AC was destroyed this way?? What's the odds of a piece of shrapnel hitting a bomb and denoting it? Fire in the Aircraft..BAM Fire extinguishers.
Once again..I'm not saying it's impossible and it didn't happen but..come on! You have to be one Unlucky SOB for this!!
Now if anyone doubts my rate of fire or numbers here here's the site I got the numbers from.

http://www.ww2guide.com/guns.shtml#heavym

On a different subject..maybe HT should look at some of the Muzzle velocities and Rounds per Minute.

Just my opinion.

Larry · « **Reply #53 on:** October 19, 2005, 07:00:46 AM »

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Originally posted by Scotlvr
With a API round every 10th round that's 7 API rounds fired.

Uhh if Im not mistakin wasnt ALL of the 50cals API.

Sketch · « **Reply #54 on:** October 19, 2005, 09:49:43 AM »

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Originally posted by Cobra412
Umm unless they were loading up the 60 with the items you described then I'd have to say "try again". Then again who knows maybe the video I saw was doctored by the Military Channel so the casual user wouldn't notice anything different than what they see in the movies.

So your saying that they load up an M60 and shot the IED Ordnance and it blows up?

The EOD guys roll in and make it a controlled area, they clear it out of any bistandards and and either A) Try to disarm it, Or B) they rig it with some C4, run the wire or remote detonate and do a controlled blast from a safe distance away, usually behind some Hummers or buildings. Not sure what they are showing on TV about it, but shooting it won't do the trick.

Larry: Alot of loadouts were 2x Armour Piercing, 2x API, 1x Tracer

Larry · « **Reply #55 on:** October 19, 2005, 10:48:32 AM »

Ok so you have a 3:5 chances then.

g00b · « **Reply #56 on:** October 19, 2005, 02:15:54 PM »

There are many, many accounts of bombers getting vaporized with a well placed shot to the bomb bay from flak or an enemy aircraft's weapons. Bombs can and do explode when hit with bullets and cannon. Anyone who does not believe this needs to read some books on the subject.

g00b

Tails · « **Reply #57 on:** October 19, 2005, 05:47:59 PM »

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Originally posted by g00b
There are many, many accounts of bombers getting vaporized with a well placed shot to the bomb bay from flak or an enemy aircraft's weapons. Bombs can and do explode when hit with bullets and cannon. Anyone who does not believe this needs to read some books on the subject.

g00b

I'm more enclined to listen to the EDO guy (that would be ChristCAF). He deals with this stuff for a living.

EDIT: Either EOD or ammo guy. Knowledge he has says EOD, the bomb insignia in his avatard says Ammo, though...

g00b · « **Reply #58 on:** October 19, 2005, 05:53:52 PM »

OK, so if I go dig quotes out of my books from bomber crews who witnessed these events 1st hand will you believe it? I'm not going to waste the time and effort if people are going to discount 1st hand accounts by those who saw it personally. There is even an account of one exploding bomber taking several others with it.

g00b

Krusty · « **Reply #59 on:** October 19, 2005, 08:23:21 PM »

Do it goob.. It's the only way they'll ever learn...