Calif Nov Election

[Sandman]

So... I'm going over the book and these are my first thoughts...

73- No. I figure a girl that's old enough to engage in sexual activity is also old enough to decide what to do about it if she gets pregnant. If communication is lacking with the family, I don't see it as a state's responsibility to enforce.

74. No. My next door neighbor is a teacher. She just became one and she busted her bellybutton for over six years to do it. New teachers need a lot of dedication and hard work just to get the job. If the problem with our education system is the teachers, I'll bet it's not the young ones. It's the ones that have been on the job for 20 plus years. This prop won't do anything about them.

75. No. Was leaning towards yes... but I really don't care much about unions and Funked's case is compelling.

76. No. Arnie will have to find other places to cut funding. I like all the doom and gloom about schools being part of the reason we're $22 Billion in debt. From the look of things around our schools, they are short on cash.

77. No. I'll generally vote no on anything that costs more money. 1.4 million to some retired judges seems wasteful.

78. No. The money thing again. No on more spending.

79. No. See above.

80. No. Every time our state decides to legislate energy, I get nervous.


Thoughts?

[Debonair]

Originally posted by Sandman
...Thoughts?

Oregon is better than California

[Sandman]

Originally posted by Debonair
Oregon is better than California

Careful, we might have to buy your state.

[Hangtime]

Originally posted by Sandman
Careful, we might have to buy your state.

All sales final. No refunds, returns or exchanges.

[SOB]

Originally posted by Sandman
Careful, we might have to buy your state.

Careful, we might send back all the interlopers.

[NUKE]

Originally posted by SOB
Careful, we might send back all the interlopers.

They can't make you leave SOB

[lazs2]

on 73 yes...

it is unbelievable that anyone would agree that a minor child should not be able to get an aspirin from her school for a headache but be sent to an abortion clinic to get an abortion..  There is no good reason why a parent should not be notified that a child is getting a serious medical procedure that may effect the rest of her life.  No parent I know wants the state to be their daughters parents.

on 74  yes..

I think that the system must be broken and that 74 will allow us to look at it.   I have explained how in legal fair evaluations it is impossible for anyone who is even mildly competent to get two bad legal evaluations...(in the other thread)   I am a little torn on this because the system is so screwed up at present... but it needs some real rules.. I think fair evaluations are better in the long run for the teachers than contiueing with this mish mash of protectionist current unevenly applied policies.

on 75  yes.

obviously.. there really is no good arguement for extortion.   I don't see that funked has any case at all...  

76  yes...

It doesn't cut funding... it cuts the amount of INCREASE to and average of the INCREASE of the last three years if we are not meeting the budget...  school funding would still continue to go up at an astronomical rate.

77... yes...

but not real concerned... just like to take some of the power away from the old time hack entrenched politicos.

78, 79, 80 probly no.

sandie.... you still claim that you are not a liberal?

lazs

[Gunslinger]

while I wont be voting because I am not considered a resident.  I'd have to say

73.  Yes,  Last time I checked kids don't have alot of rights.  If she wants to see a doctor about somthing the parents need to know about it

74 Yes.  What can it hurt?

75 yes  I think FUNK'S union propaganda got to him but that's just my opinion.

77.  Sandy have you read what this does besides the costs?  Currently politicians have a re-election rate of around 96% because the repubs and dems get together and draw their own districts.  I don't think this is ethical.

[midnight Target]

Well it doesn't happen often, but I'm voting with lazs on this one.

Especially 77. It may not solve the problem, but there is most definitely a problem. for example... we recalled our Governor due to the horrible mess the State was in... but 153 out of 153 assemblymen and state senators were re-elected. Something is way wrong.

76 - Why not? We don't have the money. Stands to reason that we stop spending it.

75 - If you think unions need help to get their message out.... you aren't looking at who is funding the "no" commercials.

(edit.. except 73.... Sandy's right on that one.)

[lasersailor184]

Yeah...

Funked didn't really make a point in the Union post.  Nor did he make a good case either.

[GtoRA2]

Originally posted by SOB
Careful, we might send back all the interlopers.

God no.... Please take more. Take the whole city  of San francisco!

[GtoRA2]

So you guys that are for 73, you would be OK with your minor daughter having an abortion without your consent?


No teen girl given the choice is going to face  her parents and tell them she made that kind of mistake.

Not even if the parents are saints and would have nothing but loving concern for the kid.

What a wonderfull way to teach personal responsibility! Yeah, no owning up to something you messed up on, just hide it.

If you could have gotten away with getting out of getting in major trouble as a kid you tell me with a strait face that you would not have taken it no mater how nice or cool your parents were?

Children under 18 are minors, the parents have the right to know when ANY medical procedure is done to their kids. I guess it would be ok with you guys to have the school offer the birth control they inject into the kids arm without consent or them getting tatoos or having a boob job too?


These kids don't have the right to vote, or drink or in many cases drive but you guys are ok with them having a major medical procedure? We are not talking about late teens in many cases here, these could be 12 year old kids.

Why don't you just give the rest of your parental rights to the nannystate too.

[GtoRA2]

I am with Laz on the rest.

[lazs2]

4- Members should post in a way that is respectful of other users and HTC. Flaming or abusing users is not tolerated.

[midnight Target]

Originally posted by lazs2
4- Members should post in a way that is respectful of other users and HTC. Flaming or abusing users is not tolerated.  

Hey Mr.! You just be happy with the fact that I agree with some of what you wrote and learn to accept the rest.