Fester's Skinning Tutorial (Basic Techniques in PHOTOSHOP)

[Citabria]

I just hope skinners will attempt to simulate the metals deformed surface using this technique or a technique of there own design.

I came to notice this effect only because I work around aircraft all day and day in day out have come to the conclusion that the skin of an aircraft is not smooth like a car at all. on flush riveted aircaft with thick paint you can not even see the rivets but you can see exactly where the rivets are pulling down on the metal making ripples all over the fuselage and wings.

on worn and overused aircraft with thin and faded paint you can see the rivets pretty easy because the paint pops off the flush rivet heads often and you can see them anyway because as the paint wears down every nook and cranny and gap is visible again.

I hope the world war 1 tank rivet habit that seems to have been carried over from IL2 to AH will not be relied upon so much if skinners master more realistic techniques to give life to the aircraft surfaces.

[Nr_RaVeN]

whats the tank rivet Habit,
when they look raised?

[Krusty]

Originally posted by Citabria
I just hope skinners will attempt to simulate the metals deformed surface using this technique or a technique of there own design.

Well, that's nice, but consider that this deformity is the result of a manufacturing process, like putting a trillion rivets in close proximity to each other, and is dependent on the plane itself (it is not universal). Further, this warping can be caused by prolonged use over many many many years, and a new aircraft will most likely not have any of these deformities. It is only the stresses of many hours of flight time that cause this. Consider that most airplanes you might see this on were made in the '70s and are still flying today. More modern (recent) planes do not have these deformities (judging by the photos I've seen).

WW2 folks knew what they were doing. We don't give them enough credit sometimes. A bulky, deformed, surface would increase drag.

Also I've seen footage of P38 Glacier Girl from the documentary where they pulled her up. She had the same deformation areas (between the rivets) but once she was restored she had none of that.

I'm all for subtle shades, but in moderation, and it would have to depend on the plane (i.e. p47 would show this more than a 109).

[Citabria]

its visible on all aluminum aircraft in varying degrees. I work around the whole gamut of aircraft here and I see this on DC8's, 767's, 757's, there is even a frieght hauling c47 that comes in here and it definitely has this effect.

often you cant see rivets at all but you can see where they are pulling on the aircrafts skin and you can see this from a good distance.

[Wrangled]

Alot of wear and tear on planes were caused by the actual amount of use that these planes seen during WWII. A good example of this is a picture I found of the B-26 Big bellybutton Bird. The plane was only a couple years old, but after 145 missions, it looked like it had been sitting in the middle of a jungle for decades.

http://home.att.net/~ww2aviation/BobHope.html

As far as the Glacier Girl not having this fatigue visible because it was completely restored within the last few years.  Get a couple hundred hours of combat flight time on her and see how it looks....

Just like the automotive industry of today, the planes were massed produced, and yes I give the people credit for awsome work in the 40's, and there are flaws just as brand new vehicles today have flaws. Just adds a little something to the plane I think...

[Nr_RaVeN]

Originally posted by Nr_RaVeN
whats the tank rivet Habit,
when they look raised?

[JAWS2003]

Here you go Raven.


http://www.rcscalebuilder.com/Tutorials/panels_and_rivets/default.htm


Another good example here. Flush rivets on the cowling:

[Nr_RaVeN]

cool link jaws ty

[Citabria]

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[B@tfinkV]

another vote for STICKY THIS THREAD

[gnubee]

Sticky this plz...

[SkyChimp03]

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Anything else?

Sticky this please!! lol..

[Citabria]

it lost its pics not much to sticky

[SkyChimp03]

Originally posted by Citabria
it lost its pics not much to sticky

but united still has them im sure :aok  sorry fester my website no longer exist

[United]

I think I have them on my hard drive somewhere.  If you'd like them Im sure I could dig em up.