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Offline NUKE

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« Reply #30 on: November 14, 2005, 11:31:18 PM »
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Objective: "To some, the Palestinian martyrs are heroes."

Not Objective: "The Palestinian martyrs are heroes."


I can see it your way too, technically. But it's on the cusp and since it's the BBC, I take it as a biased description of what everyone else knows is just a suicide bomber. I know you know that and a lot of people know that, but it seems purposley "nice" to the terrorist scum.

To me, just because "to some" is preceding doesn't really doesn't alter the meaning in refering to sucide bombers as martyrs istead of just describing them more truthfully.
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Offline Vulcan

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« Reply #31 on: November 15, 2005, 12:12:18 AM »
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Objective: "To some, the Palestinian martyrs are heroes."

Not Objective: "The Palestinian martyrs are heroes."


Read your own definition:

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3 : VICTIM; especially : a great or constant sufferer


Would you label Hitler a matyr?
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« Reply #32 on: November 15, 2005, 12:15:33 AM »
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how about a picture of an Indian, holding custers scap at the little big horn?

"And for the slaughter of 4,300 non combatant indian women and children, the heroic braves of the sioux nation struck down the killers.. "

i'd guess the 'truth' of a pictures caption in vile circumstances like this is more a matter of perspective than any of us would care to admit.


Well to an Indian, that would most likely be an appropiate attitude in that occurance..perspective and personal point of view is what we judge almost everything.

ie. The difference between a resistance/freedom fighter and terrorist is usually our point of view...

..also SOB and Fishu were absolutely correct
 
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« Reply #33 on: November 15, 2005, 12:35:09 AM »
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Would you label Hitler a matyr?

Did Hitler have asthma?
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« Reply #34 on: November 15, 2005, 01:40:57 AM »
Random thoughts:
Unfortunately, man is a creature of nature, and in nature, you either thump on or get thumped on.  I know what side of the thumping I want to be on.

If a group of people, a minority group of people...whatever, want to strap explosives on, man woman or child, Im afraid that population, however insignificant, needs to get thumped on.  In the age of atomics, suicide bombers are no good.

For me, seeing a young child wearing a body bomb is simply justificatin for killing that child.  Premptively is obviously the preffered timeline on suicide bombers.  Its sad and pitiful but thats the way this game has evolved......

Draw a bead on the little bugger and let er fly.
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« Reply #35 on: November 15, 2005, 03:02:07 AM »
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Did Hitler have asthma?

I was about to ask !

Don't you think you are a weirdo ? (so I m btw :))
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« Reply #36 on: November 15, 2005, 04:29:58 AM »
Biased/Subjective:

"Palestinian children learn at a young age about the struggle for freedom. To some, the Palestinian martyrs are heroes. Here a child poses for a photograph at a rally organised by militants."

Unbiased/Objective:

"Palestinian children learn at a young age about what thier teachers call the struggle for freedom. To some, those who engage in suicide bombing are heroes. Here a child poses for a photograph at a rally organised by militants."

You will notice that the second example is truely objective, while the first is not.  The BBC caption appears to have been written for the Palestinian readers.
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« Reply #37 on: November 15, 2005, 04:59:42 AM »
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yes but by saying it by itself not objective and is misleading at best.


It is. I'm currently watching a BBC documentary on the nazis, and the documentary describes the view of the pple back then.

This is why it's called "documentary".

If it had to start every sentance with "those horrible pple back then who were the nazis..." i would have used the DVDs as toasters.
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« Reply #38 on: November 15, 2005, 08:27:14 AM »
Let me see if I have this right... easy scenario here.

If SOB was flying a twittler Biplane and "intentually" dived and took out an enemy hanger fully knowing that it would cost him his life would he then be refered to as "Martyr twittler SOB"?

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« Reply #39 on: November 15, 2005, 08:35:17 AM »
the part about "to some" is objective... the part about "the struggle for freedom" is not.  The person doing the documentary let's his michele moorenss slip out in the latter.   In this case.. the anti semitism...

oh wait... "to many... the BBC and yourop eans are anti semites..  the young are taught at an early age to hate the nasty oppresive jew"

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« Reply #40 on: November 15, 2005, 08:40:13 AM »
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the part about "to some" is objective... the part about "the struggle for freedom" is not.  The person doing the documentary let's his michele moorenss slip out in the latter.   In this case.. the anti semitism...


So you are saying that the media should stop referring to the US war campaign as a war against terror?
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« Reply #41 on: November 15, 2005, 08:55:48 AM »
no... in my opinion.. the people we are fighting in Iraq are the perfect examples of terrorists.

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« Reply #42 on: November 15, 2005, 09:03:15 AM »
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no... in my opinion.. the people we are fighting in Iraq are the perfect examples of terrorists.

lazs


Why reporting things on the other side how they see it isn't objective?

I hear people complaining and wondering why is someone doing this and that, but when offered the chance to get an insight to their reasons, they dismiss it like you do and insult the reporter.

However you want them to express your viewpoint instead.
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« Reply #43 on: November 15, 2005, 09:17:25 AM »
Too much thinking Fishu, not enough teeth.
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« Reply #44 on: November 15, 2005, 12:47:23 PM »
See Rule #4
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